Double-ended Bar - DON'T HAVE NO ROLLER OR SPROCKET

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HEY! Don't giggle; it's late in Georgia. I do want a .063 ga. though!

If someone can help me find a top notch 56-60" double-ender to fit
MY two Stihl 090s I can really kick up some chips when I want to!

Got one, anybody?
I'll be watching out. :Eye: :Eye: (But I will be bleary-eyed.)

Phil L.
 
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That shrill sound you are hearing...

(cheep, cheap, cheep-cheep)

Is my motto. :laugh::laugh::laugh: I'll settle for a used one for now.

Anybody?

Phil L.
 
Thanks MacDaddy,

In keeping fully with my motto,

Is that mangy old frame lookin' thang 'cluded?

Phil L.
 
Off topic...

You think it would be possible to load a bar like this with a saw at each end? I imagine that you'd have to tune the saws to match and there would be numerous other issues to overcome to make it work right, but it might make one hell of a mill. That is is you could make it work. Mind you, this is just a hair brained theory and that someone has probably already tried it with disasterous results.

Still fun to think about, though...
 
it IS a common practice to put a saw at each end. its done alot for milling and also hotsaw competitions have been done with this setup. just takes more people to run, thats about it.
 
shtoinc, The saws do not have to be 'matched', they don't even have to be close. One of the DOES have to be upside-down. If you and Lou Farigno were pushing a car down the streetm each of you would be doing a different amount of the total work. If Lou stopped pushing you would know it! If you stopped pushing, he's know it. Multi cylinder engines rarely produce the exact same power from each cylinder and this causes no trouble.
 
I still have brochures from the now-defunct company called Sperber which made several nice dual engine mills and sold them with the heads on them. I wanted one BAD in the early 1980s. I put them in a folder and would pull them out and wish for one back when I had no money for 'nuttin' as a young married man. (Still married to the same one, but have a little more money when I can keep it.)

That was the first such contraption I ever saw. They were nice with a winch/chain arrangement for the depth adjustment, but had round rails. (Round won't scrape away the chips on the surface of your previous cut, so not so good.) You do need to reasonably match your engines, but, think about it. When you hit the wood both engines go under load and become contributing partners, just like two men pulling a rope by steadily leaning on it. One man may weigh 190 and the other 205, but once they are both leaning and pulling steadily, the difference in their combined pulling does not interfere with the effect on the rope. In this case, it's just a chain, instead of a rope and the men are two engines pulling.

(Was that as clear as mud?) My men are REEEAL MEN. Two Stihl 090s.

Phil L.
 
Engines can be wildly mis-matched. Take a look at an unlimited pulling tractor, some have an Allison v-12 and a few small block Chevy's. Or 3 Hemi's and a pair of big block Chevy's, all contribute to the overal power and all are directly coupled to the trans.
 
Sedanman,

Guess you are right about the matching issue there.

On the other hand, both saws do run in the normal tree-felling position.
Sketch it out, until I can post the scan of my brochure, and your sketch
will step you through the logic of it. Both saws in normal position.

Phil L.
 
By the way, Sedanman, I tune pianos for a living.

What you got against pianos? I pound the fool out of 'em everyday,
BUT IT DON'T SOUND PERTY!

Phil L.
 
dedcow said:
it IS a common practice to put a saw at each end. its done alot for milling and also hotsaw competitions have been done with this setup. just takes more people to run, thats about it.

Got to Madsen's online, go to their pictures section, and there are some photos of a couple of guys runnin' modded doubles. In the Northwest it is known as the Limited Hot Saw class. I believe the two fellers are runnin' an 090 and an 088. If you have never seen this class you are missin' somethin'! :D
 
Phil, That comment has old origins. A LONG time ago someone posted a picture of their pride-and-joy chainsaw sitting on a piano bench. I made a comment about how the saw would make mince-meat out of the piano and it snowballed from there. Then someone else posted "Come on man, cut the piano" in context, it was the funniest thing I had yet read on here.
 
Yeah, I've heard that some people "can really tear a piano up!"

A company I used to work with in the late 70s refused to rent pianos for Jerry Lee Lewis. For some reason they didn't like him playing with his feet, especially with his shoes still on.

Phil L.
 
Take note of how Rotax doesn't wear the hard hat.
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I am guessing that holding on the the saw that is inverted is the chainsaw equivalent of getting the short end of the stick. I bet he gets a face full of chips and NEEDS to have full face protection. I'll also be he's still pickin chips out of unmentionable places for the next few days...

I am relieved to see that I wasn't completely hairbrained in thinking that this would be a viable setup. I was mainly thinking of this setup for milling, but I think you would probably have to do some adjusting to your fuel line on one of the saws to make it run on the other side. I don't think it would shave your cut times in half but I bet it would sure speed it up and then ballance out the wear and tear between the two saws. I wonder if it might even make your cuts a little bit smoother?
 
sedanman said:
shtoinc, The saws do not have to be 'matched', they don't even have to be close. One of the DOES have to be upside-down. If you and Lou Farigno were pushing a car down the streetm each of you would be doing a different amount of the total work. If Lou stopped pushing you would know it! If you stopped pushing, he's know it. Multi cylinder engines rarely produce the exact same power from each cylinder and this causes no trouble.
This is wildly off topic, but how can one measure how much power each individual cylinder is making? Who is Lou Farigno? :)
 
If the saw on the other end is not a old float carb or Jonny XA or XB, you nee to do something about the rotation of the chain, otherwise they will work against eachother, both pulling the chain.
 
Spacemule, Got the spelling way wrong http://www.louferrigno.com/ remember the "Incredible Hulk"? At low rpm you can do a 'cylinder balance' test and see how much rpm drop you get when each cylinder is shut off. High rpm full load testing requires a dyno to measure individual cylinder contribution to the total. Very few engine builders are concerned enough to pursue it. Stock eliminator drag racers are probably among the folks interested in this, they run under VERY restrictive rules and will persue 1 extra horsepower to great lenghts.


P.S. I used Lou because I didn't think I could spell 'Schwarzenegger'
 

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