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treeman82

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I have made a life decision here fellas. I have been evaluating the work that I do, and the work that I take pride in and enjoy doing. Tree work won out with landscape work following at #2. Lawns came in last. I am going to finish out this semester as a turf major and once I get my grades I am going to switch over to Arboriculture. In taking these turf classes I have decided that if I am not going to do something with golf courses I am wasting my time. This really is overkill for home lawns not that I even enjoy cutting lawns or especially doing apps to them. I do my tree work, I enjoy it, and just about everyone I work for tells me that I am very good at what I do. Maybe I am wrong here, but this is the second time I am switching majors here. First time was from Landscape Contracting to Turf, now from Turf to Arb.
 
hey Matt,

Go for it, follow your heart. Now is the time to change your mind. If you hate lawns I would hate to see you do that for the rest of your life. Your posts on this forum are always enthusuastic about your treework (well, except for that car problem).

I have never understood how they expect 18 & 19 year olds to decide on these industry specific majors and make a choice that impacts the rest of their life. Heck I'm 35 with a degree and parts of two more and I still don't know what I want to do in college! Good Luck!
 
I want to be a rapper when I grow up. In fact, at TCI 2002, I'll be unveiling my new line of arbizorwearizer pants.
-MC Sean Dog
 
Hold on........step Back!

I just want to start of by stating that I am in my last week of a four year program and will be graduating on Saturday. My major was and always will be Urban Forestry. This included classes such as Arboriculture, Dendrology, Pathology, Soil Science, amongst many others.

However, while completing my degree, I also took the full Turfgrass Management Degree as well as a Landscape Design Degree. Yes, the majority of the Arboristsite regulars work with trees everyday of their lives. And they love it! Who wants to be bothered by herbacious plants or grasses.................after all they are just over-prices weeds, right? Well perhaps turfgrass management is not for everyone, but there are not to many tree care professionals that will disagree with the following, which is a quote that I am giving, therefore, I suppose I will have to take heat from those that disagree:

"Today's urban landscapes consist of trees, shrubs, and vines (ya, I know the fun stuff), but also turfgrasses and herbacious plants. They are all desired parts of the working landscape, therefore, we as trained arborists/consultants must look out for not only the health of the trees, shrubs, and vines, but everything else growing under the various driplines. We have to be able to understand the differences in pH, fertilizer, and moisture requirements. We have to understand why the grass died after the pH or fertilizing practice is altered to better the growing conditions of the tree. For if we don't, there will be an increasing number of unsatisfied customers, that will most-likely never call you again or recommend you to their neighbors. We have to be able to educate the various homeowners on the benefits of mulch; not merely for the sake of the trees water retention, temperature control, and erosion prevention, but as a way to reduce the competition taking place between the trees and underlying turf. We should understand why a certain species may inhibit the growth of turfgrasses due to the presence of allelopathic chemicals, which are naturally released to prevent outside species from invading the trees space. The list is endless, but the fact remains, present day urban forests are constructed with more than trees in mind. Therefore, we really should actively attempt to educate ourselves in all aspects of the landscape."

I could go into far greater detail, but I am sure that everyone is getting where I'm headed with this.

The more education that a person receives the better prepared that individual will be in the field. Not only will you as the arborist be able to sleep easier at night due to a job well done, but you will create a stronger relationship with your clientel due to demonstrated knowledge of the entire landscape. Yes, perhaps arboriculture will be the arborists forte, but the extra pieces of paper hanging on your wall, will definitely come in handy more than once!

Shane Freeman
"...insight from North of the border!"
 
I'm with you, 100%, Shane. The landscape is a complex system with many relationships which requires learning about each part. My school teaches urban forestry, but one has to take soils, water, wildlife, waste, and land use planning classes as well. I wish I could just plug my brain in like <u>The Matrix</u> and learn everything there is to know about certain subject! The act of teaching yourself, though, is often more valuable than the subject material.

Nickrosis
 
I think the gist of his rant is that he does not want to mow lawns any more :D

I agree also that knowing things about other aspects of the landscape will help proffesionaly. If I can tell the client the the thinning of the turf under her Norway maple is partialy due to aelilopathy and that it will always be thin I will probably be ahead of the next guy, same with the ability to suggest instasllation of herbaciouse material in the shaded areas or pavers in the traffic worn thin spots.
 
hey shane im with ya too. i am an arborist who can also ID and have knowledge about annuals perrennials grasses and groundcovers. There is always more to learn. but i must admit even though i work at a golf courseLOL I am good at putting holes in the turf though when i chunk out a big tree.
 
Hey,

Some very valid points but I think you all missed treeman82's boat. Education is important, no doubt, but there also have to be practical considerations. We could all stay in school forever but that doesn't accomplish much and it costs a lot of money. I think Matt seems to have some lawn & landscape knowledge and a couple years of those courses under his belt already. His question is if he should shift gears and finish out with his degree in arboriculture not turf management or landscape design. If I read his post correctly he has discovered that he would rather be an arborist with turf and landscape knowledge as opposed to being a turf specialist with some arborist knowledge and would much rather be practicing arboriculture.
 
Mike,

I do understand where you are coming from after reading my earlier posted entry.

I am not trying to say that a change in studies or even a career is a bad thing. What I was trying to illustrate is that everything in the field of Urban Forestry is related and therefore a person entering the field shouldn't direct their studies in only one direction. I recommend finishing the Turf degree, finish the Arboriculture degree, and maybe even the Landscape. However, trust me when I say this, I too understand the high prices involved in receiving a post-secondary education. In addition, I always stress the fact that education doesn't always have to be in a classroom, for if it was, discussion groups like this one wouldn't exist!

Shane Freeman
 
Great point. The SSA has done far more for me than the classroom education has. Yes, classroom educations are important, but having someone who is interested in guiding you and teaching you with alternative pedagogical methods is more valuable.

This board has and is doing a lot for my knowledge of this industry and is a window to the rest of the world and their practices. Like Stanley Longstaff says, "the trade secrets that you keep may save somebody's life." Everytime someone shares a technique or practice, they are making our work environment safer and better. Whether what they have to say is good or horrible, the conversation that ensues promotes critical thinking and, I should add, can be entertaining.

Nickrosis
 
Ahh, you dying breed of renaissance men, not yet ready to be neatly pigeonholed by society!Lol

I agree money and time aside, I would recommend more than one degree. I lucked out in my situation, having no professional logging experience, the Ma state certification program is run about 5 miles away at the local community college. All the courses & seminars I can afford without the major expenses of full time education. I also get my hands on every recommended book and manual and of course all you smart guys here. I don't know that much about you arborists and your cert requirements but I'm scared to climb trees anyways. I can repel out of a helicopter but get me ten feet up a tree and I'll wet my pants.
 
Hey fellas, I am just tired of going to all of these classes which are really not geared to home lawns and are geared heavily towards golf courses instead. I honestly don't want to work on a golf course. I would much rather spend my days hanging around up in a tree. Granted cutting grass is steady money, and having an education in it is important. My major thing here is that I don't take very much pride in that work at all. Now when I have gone and mitigated a large hazard that was right near a house, that makes me smile at the end of the day, and just makes me happy while I do it because as Newfie just said there, not many people will do what we do as arborists. Who knows, maybe I will finish the turf degree after all?
 
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