Big Block
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looks like they got potential.
2 of my favorite videos. Love the way they get the piss revved out of them. That is definitely my cup of tea......or coffee or whatever is in that mug
Echo cs-800p
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2 of my favorite videos. Love the way they get the piss revved out of them. That is definitely my cup of tea......or coffee or whatever is in that mug
Hey, I appreciate your honesty. This 800p is more of an experiment than anything. I'm not afraid to swim against the current even though sometimes I end up far down the river. The question on the 800p is: Can a woods port make it run like a 390xp or 661? I haven't found any proof that it can or can't. I've been needing a bigger saw for some time so even if this experiment is a flop, I'll still have a saw that handles bigger stuff when it comes along.
Just curious, had your previously owned 8000 had anything done to it? MM or tab delete or just stock?
This is one of the few echos i can speak personally on..i spent a day buckin big rounds with an 8000 owned by a friend of mine , in stock form it was very disappointing i didnt care for it at all , maybe echo is on to somethin with this new 800 ?
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Echo fan boy, loving this thread. I'm saving pennies to get my CS-670 Masterminded.
CapitaineHaddoc
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Looks like I might be trying to turn a Pinto into a Porsche...LOL. Oh well, the saw is paid for and the port date is set...can't turn back now. This thread may end up being a good Saturday Night Live skit though
Don't worry, having it ported is the right way to "correct" this saw. A good builder will probably make it run like a (ported)?Dolly 7900 or so.
The good news here is that they respond well to correct porting.
I still remember my experiences with the CS-6700, it was "beat" when I got it, so it got a new OEM P/C. The porting in the P/C I received from Echo was pretty "weird" looking, and I was hoping that it was different than the later CS-670's. I had owned two of those by the time I ended up with the CS-6700, and was not happy with either one so they went on E-bay.
When the CS-6700 was placed in service it was even WORSE than the CS-670's. The power curve was even narrower, and it easily dropped out of the good power to a point where the operator didn't dare to allow the dogs to get into the log and put any additional pressure into the cut. I pissed with it a couple of times in the wood pile then gave up on it. Didn't matter where you set the carb, and it was pretty loud and an inspection of the muffler really didn't show anyplace to help it as it was not restrictive. For sure in stock form it was a complete "turd", and at that point I had over $250 in the saw and wasn't going to get it back.
That's how we learn with these thing, but I don't have the knowledge/experience to improve these saws with porting. We also don't learn anything by sitting back and doing nothing. Some folks may wonder why I was throwing time/funds into these saws? The answer is simple, I was able to obtain them at very reasonable cost, and I had such a great experience with my CS-510 that I was hoping I could come up with a larger Echo saw that absolutely rocked but it wasn't going to happen with that chassis.
On a good note by watching the video and reading about how well the CS-800's can run with good port work, I don't think the OP has a lot to worry about here and will end up with a nice running well built saw......Cliff
I still remember my experiences with the CS-6700, it was "beat" when I got it, so it got a new OEM P/C. The porting in the P/C I received from Echo was pretty "weird" looking, and I was hoping that it was different than the later CS-670's. I had owned two of those by the time I ended up with the CS-6700, and was not happy with either one so they went on E-bay.
When the CS-6700 was placed in service it was even WORSE than the CS-670's. The power curve was even narrower, and it easily dropped out of the good power to a point where the operator didn't dare to allow the dogs to get into the log and put any additional pressure into the cut. I pissed with it a couple of times in the wood pile then gave up on it. Didn't matter where you set the carb, and it was pretty loud and an inspection of the muffler really didn't show anyplace to help it as it was not restrictive. For sure in stock form it was a complete "turd", and at that point I had over $250 in the saw and wasn't going to get it back.
That's how we learn with these thing, but I don't have the knowledge/experience to improve these saws with porting. We also don't learn anything by sitting back and doing nothing. Some folks may wonder why I was throwing time/funds into these saws? The answer is simple, I was able to obtain them at very reasonable cost, and I had such a great experience with my CS-510 that I was hoping I could come up with a larger Echo saw that absolutely rocked but it wasn't going to happen with that chassis.
On a good note by watching the video and reading about how well the CS-800's can run with good port work, I don't think the OP has a lot to worry about here and will end up with a nice running well built saw......Cliff
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That saw would be more compatible to a 461/460 or a 576. Sure it would run better ported but you'd probably be better off with these or just shell out a couple of more bucks and get a 90cc saw and get that ported.
Idahonative
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Good post and I agree on the cs-670. The one in my sig. was my dad's and I haven't played with it a lot. What little I did do...same thoughts as you. I think there is good power to be found but not with the normal MM and tune. The saw is capable of turning some pretty high rpm's stock but it doesn't seem to matter. The muff doesn't seem to be bottle necked (best I can tell) so it's got to be somewhere else.
I tested that saw with the deflector off next to my 600p (MM & tune), noodling some tough dry elm. The 600p could hardly be stalled...the 670 stalled easily. The other very noticeable thing was the AV. The 600p was smooth as silk and the 670 pretty rough. I'm really hoping the 800p has a much better AV than the 670.
EDIT: The 670 mentioned above is a low hour saw and blowing 150 psi.
interesting about the 670's and 6700's... I have a 670 that needs a piston and ring. I was thinking of running it with a chainsaw winch I got from my father in law.... Sounds like I will have to send it off to my buddy for some port work too!
Idahonative
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If that's true (and it might be), a guy would be better off porting a 600p @ nearly 3.5 lbs. lighter on the PHO (vs. 800p). I've been told that ported 600p will cut right with a stock 460/461. The last two 600p's I bought off Ebay cost me $400 each brand new.
CapitaineHaddoc
European Westcoaster
A ported 600p should be really close to the 461. My ported 562 is noticeably faster than a 461 w/"20 bar.
I should also mention here that it is not my intent to "dog" the larger Echo offerings, they are still very well built saws and will last for many years w/o issues.
I took a hard run at them over a 2-3 year period before throwing the towel in. They all ran OK, but you will NEVER find yourself reaching for one if/when you have a perfect Husqvarna 181SE (185psi compression), 268XPS, and near perfect 262XP at your disposal. When the big Echo saws didn't make the grade, I sent them on down the road. If I didn't have the big Husqvarna's for sure they would still be in my line-up, and I would have also added an Echo CS-620PW by now.....FWIW......Cliff
I took a hard run at them over a 2-3 year period before throwing the towel in. They all ran OK, but you will NEVER find yourself reaching for one if/when you have a perfect Husqvarna 181SE (185psi compression), 268XPS, and near perfect 262XP at your disposal. When the big Echo saws didn't make the grade, I sent them on down the road. If I didn't have the big Husqvarna's for sure they would still be in my line-up, and I would have also added an Echo CS-620PW by now.....FWIW......Cliff
l don't think anyone should 'have to' port a saw to make it acceptable. lf it is terrible stock, the engineers have failed to the point that they won't get my money in the first place, let alone have me sink in more for port work and machining. The best saws may improve with porting, but usually they were good to begin with and justify putting more money into if you desire. Echo have some new generation quad port piston port saws that rev and have a powerband that will keep them in business, however for a long time this was not so. Reliability has never been a problem either has quality, but building a saw with enough personality that gets people talking is something echo is only just starting to master.
CapitaineHaddoc
European Westcoaster
That's the problem. Idahonative like this brand, so he'll try the biggest Echo available. Ad I suppose the Echo 800p cost less than a Husky 576, a Stihl MS461 or a Dolly 7910 in the USA, so I understand why he want to give it a try.
But imagine this:
http://www.parot-motoculture.com/in...nneuse-echo-cs-8002-cpe-60-cm-garantie-5-ans-
Yes, in France (and generally in Europe), the CS8002 is more expensive than a Stihl 661
l aint an echo (Yamabiko) hater they make quality stuff for sure, paired with shindaiwa their future looks bright! l have a couple of echo saws, like their top handles and some of their 50cc saws. l have a cs550p (55cc & current model) and its a good saw but........its similar in size/wieght to a 65cc saw. lt does run with broad powerband and smooth AV and if it was my only saw and l had not run other brands l am sure i'd be happy with it. But that's not the case as l have 555, 550xp, 6400/7900, solo 681, ms261(ported) that have better power to weight/size ratios which sadly leave the 550p echo in the shed. I want to give a 620p a go as its their latest offering and the saw seems to make better sense. l WILL be buying the new shindaiwa 25cc top handle...that little saw is slick, really light, has specs that rival the top two and just plain looks really well thought out/designed. l already have a 23cc makita top handle made by Yamabiko japan and love it. l am an echo supporter, but l am billy not silly too.
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True...
Seems a clapped out 044 brings about that same ammount.
After eBay takes their cut, the seller is only getting $450. That's only $5.70/cc
Sold this one PHO not all stock with big oem carb and 195psi for $350. Ran super great.
Sure was no reason to waste another $350
paying someone to port this one IMO.
Sure was no reason to waste another $350
paying someone to port this one IMO.
Idahonative
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Sold this one PHO not all stock with big oem carb and 195psi for $350. Ran super great.
Sure was no reason to waste another $350
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Is that a 36" skip? How did it pull that bar buried in wood?
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Sold this one PHO not all stock with big oem carb and 195psi for $350. Ran super great.
Sure was no reason to waste another $350
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I appreciate your input Kevin. Read some of your posts on another site and I like what I'm reading. If this 800p is an improvement on the cs-8000/JD 800v, it should be interesting:
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"Here is what Brad thought of the JD after testing them back to back with 24" bar buried":
"I think more then a few were surprised with the yellow echo 8000 yesterday with 24" full comp full chisel chain buried in hardwoods. @blsnelling even took it with him to test against a Poulan 5200 85cc , Pioneer P60 98cc and he came back saying the JD 800 beat them both pushing hard and using normal bucking in hardwood testing."
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