Zombiechopper
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Echo horsepower -from Yamabiko
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Zombiechopper
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echoshawn
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Well if you want to buy me one, I'll test it out.
It's purely about personal preference, get over it. I like the way it runs, the way it feels, the way it cuts.
If you prefer Stihl/Husky/insert brand other than Echo here, Then buy and run one. I'm not going to bash your choice in equipment, don't bash mine. They all have their strong points, and weaknesses. That's why there's more than one brand of saw out there. People might not like xx brand for whatever reason, but like yy brand instead. Buy it, use it, enjoy it.
If I find I made a bad choice from my own experience, I'll not only eat humble pie, I'll bake the damn thing myself and take seconds.
It's purely about personal preference, get over it. I like the way it runs, the way it feels, the way it cuts.
If you prefer Stihl/Husky/insert brand other than Echo here, Then buy and run one. I'm not going to bash your choice in equipment, don't bash mine. They all have their strong points, and weaknesses. That's why there's more than one brand of saw out there. People might not like xx brand for whatever reason, but like yy brand instead. Buy it, use it, enjoy it.
If I find I made a bad choice from my own experience, I'll not only eat humble pie, I'll bake the damn thing myself and take seconds.
Zombiechopper
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the husky would win every single time. Not a soul would debate that without even trying having to try it.
The echo is cheaper. I guess that's good!
echoshawn
....Beer is good.....
Comparison video seems misleading.. Husky appears to be in softwood, Echo appears to be in hardwood... From what I can tell from a youtube video anyway. Would need to see them, same video, back to back, with all other variables the same, IMO anwway.....
yep i love my sthil ms361,and my echo cs301 top handle,and my old echo 452vl,i never had a husky,and i sure there as good also,i would like to try one also............if it runs,and cuts logs,iam in......i love all chainsaws,but cant afford all them
Zombiechopper
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hey, it was hard enough trying to find two stock vids.
I don't know anyone that has both in stock form, but the winner of the comparison would be the husky every time. It wouldn't even be worth doing as everyone and their dog would know the answer before doing it. The Echo's are basically detuned from the factory with large squish areas to keep compression low. They have huge modding potential, but that in itself is a criticism of the product they put out. Bottom ends must last forever though LOL!
I should get to work. My buddy dropped off his echo top handle for me to fix again. I think he buggers it up on purpose because I usually lend him a beater 200T while I work on it.
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I cannot disagree as stock the 562XP would hand it to the 600P every time. But were also not comparing apples to apples here as the Echo is significantly cheaper than the Husky.
A woods ported 600P would still be less than the 562XP and yet the results would be entirely different. I forget if it was Brad or Randy who posted the video of the 600P they worked over.
Zombiechopper
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they have both done dandy 600P's. Tons of modding potential there. As stated though, price difference is 180 bucks, so no ya couldn't port a 600 and come out ahead. I agree it;s not apples to apples - the husky is strato, AT, lighter weight and does not require mods to perform. It's just not a fair fight
they have both done dandy 600P's. Tons of modding potential there. As stated though, price difference is 180 bucks, so no ya couldn't port a 600 and come out ahead. I agree it;s not apples to apples - the husky is strato, AT, lighter weight and does not require mods to perform. It's just not a fair fight
We run the 562s every day cutting hard Maple grade
logs. Yes I agree they are a great saw. We run ours
in stock form. I think the 8000 would make a heck
of a good 5 cube stock appearing saw. Then it might
be a good 5 cube pipe saw too. Time will tell
SawTroll
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No, the specs could be found a little here and there, if you really wanted to find them - but of course the Echo fans didn't want to do that. Actually it is obvious from how the Echo saws are built and ported that they can't put out much power, so we didn't really need the specs.
The brand either doesn't have a clue to how it should be done, or they just disrespect their costumers (and dealers) enough to not care. Clamshell style engines on saws that are claimed to be pro saws is another exemple - totally unacceptable, but they have fooled a few AS members by it! :taped:
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hoeyrd2110
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the fact an non AT non strato slightly heavier saw is stealing sales should be evidence enough that it's a solid performer, numbers on paper aside.
i don't see alot of 562's on tree service crews around here. mostly 600Ps' for the 60cc saw and mostly of 044/046 for the larger. if my money were involved i'd take a MM'd 600P personally over the 562...the saw just gels with my style, the 562 just doesn't...but neither make me as happy as my 660EVL hence why i don't own a 600P or 562, although i would like an 8000
i don't see alot of 562's on tree service crews around here. mostly 600Ps' for the 60cc saw and mostly of 044/046 for the larger. if my money were involved i'd take a MM'd 600P personally over the 562...the saw just gels with my style, the 562 just doesn't...but neither make me as happy as my 660EVL hence why i don't own a 600P or 562, although i would like an 8000
hoeyrd2110
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insert list of husky clamshell so called PRO saws here:sword:
this disc keeps on skipping i tell ya:msp_lol:
Zombiechopper
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my big problem, and the only reason I would not buy one of the new series echo's is the detuned low compression design. I think they do it on purpose so that the product makes it through the 5 year warranty. It's also probably an emissions issue since they are still selling conventional design saws. The AT/strato saws are just making more power while meeting emission requirements. Husky engineered a fantastic solution. Echo will just put more cat mufflers on to meet the regs.
hoeyrd2110
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i though electrolux bought that solution...like they buy everything else
i don't think they are detuned by any means, i think husky and stihl are stretching at their durability with hotter setups just to be the .00001 HP more than the other. i like the way the echo saws run. their only fault as noted by everyone is the mufflers...other than that i see no real problems. i will say they cut WAY different than a stihl or husky much more similar to a dolmar with the torque. they may not hold 13,000 in the cut but you can bet they keep on spinning the chain around alot lower than most.
i don't think they are detuned by any means, i think husky and stihl are stretching at their durability with hotter setups just to be the .00001 HP more than the other. i like the way the echo saws run. their only fault as noted by everyone is the mufflers...other than that i see no real problems. i will say they cut WAY different than a stihl or husky much more similar to a dolmar with the torque. they may not hold 13,000 in the cut but you can bet they keep on spinning the chain around alot lower than most.
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Zombiechopper
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yeah, well watcha gonna do? I guess a company with money had to buy the good technology eh? Echo bought that gigantic squish band technology for really cheap, but they still want over 500 bucks for the saw.
hoeyrd2110
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why do a hostile takeover like poulan and jonsereds when you can integrate two companies and both can benefit from the whole?
i won't mention a company putting inferior metal parts on PRO saws either hmm....i might get ganged up onotstir:
i can only hope poulan will rise from the ashes by themselves one day and put a good hurting on the orange and orange/white saws
if echo priced the saw with the ms390? would you still buy it then? or how about $300...or is it's just an echo. would you take he "inferior" clamshell 390 or the split 600P? if you take the 390 it shows that the clamshells arent' all that bad and if you take the 600 that means it's more than a farm ranch saw...so survey says?
i won't mention a company putting inferior metal parts on PRO saws either hmm....i might get ganged up on
otstir:i can only hope poulan will rise from the ashes by themselves one day and put a good hurting on the orange and orange/white saws
if echo priced the saw with the ms390? would you still buy it then? or how about $300...or is it's just an echo. would you take he "inferior" clamshell 390 or the split 600P? if you take the 390 it shows that the clamshells arent' all that bad and if you take the 600 that means it's more than a farm ranch saw...so survey says?
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And echos puny anemic hp figures are still bare-faced lies, for the truth deduct 25% and you'll be in the ball park. Still good to see echo getting snared in it's own web of lies and deceit
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SawTroll
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At least that happened on an aussie Echo site a couple of years ago - they stated the hp numbers as kW numbers, and then multiplyed them once more with 1.36 to make "new" hp numbers. If you followed the links into the manuals that was listed on the same site, you found the truth. :msp_biggrin:
It was really pathetic, as were the true numbers. :jester:
