Echo vs....

[woodfarmer]

So if I was ever searching for a new brand, it’s a tough decision. There are no husky dealers around me for miles. The one I spoke to is now selling Echo because he can’t deal with husky anymore. The computer cost him $1500 and customers don’t like paying $50 just to hook the saw up.
Echo 8000 is $1100 cdn- %30 for US but it’s as heavy as a $ 1400 660 with less power but saving $300 and the dealer says they’re great saws.
Dolmar same thing, heavier than my Jonsereds with less power and cost about the same.
The last 3 saws I purchased were blown Jonsereds, had them ported and I’m still further ahead than buying a good used stihl or dolmar.
Stihl dealer doesn’t like M-tronic nor does my circle of tree fellers, dealer suggested buying up the 441/461 non m-tronic when a good used one comes up.

There are hardly any good used saws on E-bay anymore and many members on the board seem to think they should get almost the same price for a used saw as new?
Don’t even get my started on some buying a saw having it ported and then expect to get their money back, all things depreciate.
Last two statements are not directed at anyone in particular, just general observations from a bored woodcutter whose been inside for almost three weeks due to rain....

 

[buttercup]

So, you're looking at an 80cc saw but are stretching your search from 70cc to 90cc as interesting?
The Dolmar 7910 is 78.5cc, 6.6kg/14.5lbs and 4.3kw/5.8hp with a relative high level of torque. That's something to consider your choices against at least.
Is the power of a sturdy 80cc to 90cc regardless of weight the most important, or is the lighter weight of a 70cc to 80cc most important, or is the cost as in "popular" versus "quality" most important?
Or perhaps the ability to buy and get support locally is the most important?

Anyway, a comment to your say about more weight and less power; more weight doesn't make it a bad saw - it makes it solid and sturdy.

 

[svk]

A couple of questions:

-How important is it to you to have a dealer nearby?
-What Dolmar/Makita are you comparing to your Jonsered that is heavier with less power?

 

[woodfarmer]

I’d like a dealer within half hours drive!
Dolly 6400. 64cc. 4.7 hp 14 lbs
Jred 2165. 65cc 4.6 hp. 13 lbs
Echo 680. 66.8cc. ?hp. 14.5 lbs
Jred 2171. 70.7cc 5.4 hp 13.89 lbs
Stihl 461. 76.5cc. 6 hp. 14.6 lbs
Dolly 7910. 78.5cc 5.7 hp. 14.7 lbs
Echo 8000. 80cc. 6.29hp 16.5 lbs

not going to research pricing because we all know stihl/dolmar/husky and then echo

 

[SEAM]

Echo power ratings are based on different measurement standards (measured at the tip of the bar - no idea how they do it, though)... PTO power should be quite a bit higher.

 

[Orangeinthebarn]

Baileys has 7900 on sale right now for 681 pho

 

[Ketchup]

Or buy a 390 from Greece for a song. Echo makes some great little saws but their big boys don’t quite measure up to the Husky/Dolmar/Stihl offerings. 461, 7900, 372, 572, 390 all have a reputation for a reason. Cs 8000...meh.

Plenty of good saws to be bought on the internet. Don’t give up just because there isn’t much locally.

 

[woodfarmer]

Naturally I want the power of my 066 in the weight of a 2171 or less. So I guess that means waiting until stihl has all the bugs worked out of the 500i.

 

[Deleted member 149229]

Up to 60 cc I love my Echos, over 60 cc Dokitas are hard to beat, 6421, 7301, 7900 and 9010.

 

[buttercup]

I’d like a dealer within half hours drive!
Dolly 6400. 64cc. 4.7 hp 14 lbs
Jred 2165. 65cc 4.6 hp. 13 lbs
Echo 680. 66.8cc. ?hp. 14.5 lbs
Jred 2171. 70.7cc 5.4 hp 13.89 lbs
Stihl 461. 76.5cc. 6 hp. 14.6 lbs
Dolly 7910. 78.5cc 5.7 hp. 14.7 lbs
Echo 8000. 80cc. 6.29hp 16.5 lbs

not going to research pricing because we all know stihl/dolmar/husky and then echo

Hehe, Dolly - I like that

 

[buttercup]

Naturally I want the power of my 066 in the weight of a 2171 or less. So I guess that means waiting until stihl has all the bugs worked out of the 500i.

Well, as for a new saw if you want both a traditional carb and a cost not raised by the marked popularity contest; then both Echo and the Dolly will do that for you.
On my side of the pond the smurf colored Makita versions of the Dolmar made saws seems to be advertised generally slightly lower in price than the red-orange ones.
As for the bigger Echo 800/8000 I wouldn't mind one for sure.

 

[Jwilliams]

Hold out for the new echo 7310?

 

[Deleted member 149229]

Hold out for the new echo 7310?

We’ve been waiting but it’s not in the 2020 catalog. Talked to an Echo rep last fall at the Paul Bunyan Festival and he knew nothing about it. Showed him a pic of one in Europe and he said he knew nothing about it. I bought a 7301 Dolkita.

 

[Ketchup]

Naturally I want the power of my 066 in the weight of a 2171 or less. So I guess that means waiting until stihl has all the bugs worked out of the 500i.

Jred 2188 or Dolmar 7900 are your best stock options right now. The 2188 will run with a 660, but it’s heavier than your 2171. The Dolmar is comparable in weight and more powerful than the 2171, but doesn’t have quite enough for bars above 32”.

Baileys has 7900 on sale right now for 681 pho

Can you post a link to that? That’s an awesome deal!

 

[Orangeinthebarn]

https://www.baileysonline.com/makita-ea7900prz1-79cc-chainsaw-powerhead-only-mka-ea7900prz1.html

 

[Orangeinthebarn]

711 with 30 off through next week 681

 

[Flowingair79]

I’d like a dealer within half hours drive!
Dolly 6400. 64cc. 4.7 hp 14 lbs
Jred 2165. 65cc 4.6 hp. 13 lbs
Echo 680. 66.8cc. ?hp. 14.5 lbs
Jred 2171. 70.7cc 5.4 hp 13.89 lbs
Stihl 461. 76.5cc. 6 hp. 14.6 lbs
Dolly 7910. 78.5cc 5.7 hp. 14.7 lbs
Echo 8000. 80cc. 6.29hp 16.5 lbs

not going to research pricing because we all know stihl/dolmar/husky and then echo

 

[Flowingair79]

I have built a few saws to say the least.. echo and shindaiwa saws respond to porting and can handle more timing due to the quality of there parts used there bearings and materials made there and used are to be admired by the others for sure can take it as a opinion but was taught and proven to me buy a husquvarna engineer who moved here to work for stihl . I met years ago when ceo of A1speedshop backed up to my guarge door with two pallets 1said stihl,the other husquvarna,and a funny sounding sweed .who I knew of buy building multiple race engines every year it was cheaper to fly to the US BUY parts and then ship back and bring in themselves alot cheaper . Anyhow he wanted me to flow bench and map out ports and timing for max effort without being a bomb you want to talk about dynamics and effects of oil on airspeed.i told him I needed clear cases of true dimensions a month later i had boxes of true to dimension chainsaw cases shipped in factory parts boxes still have the three different cases used to flow a chainsaw ..I built the nastiest of nasty saws and ship them back to him. All that to say echo saws love porting and timing alot of it too .look at the port sizes and shapes on echo compared to others. Also the rounded roofs of all others and in there older pro saws the roofs where and ports where flat that in itself says alot to build the power they do and keep port shape to one others fear . Get a echo have someone that knows what there doing port it ill stand a echo I own and built up against any stock saw . I built it once its been @ the world and multiple tanks of comp put threw it and it still looks like the day I built it internally,externally i can't control saw dust and oil just try my best to blow it out or wash

 

[woodfarmer]

Well I didn’t wait, bought the 500i and love it for my big saw. Sold 066, 046, a wc 2171, 2166, 2165 and 2156.
Now I’m just waiting for the 400i