Economists to Obama: Create jobs by setting aside land areas for non-timber use.

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Yeah right. First need to do a better job taking care of what they have already.
Oops, forgot that everything can be planned and implemented from the office.
No need to put anyone through the trauma of working outside.
 
It's just too simple of an idea to have active forest management anymore.

Locking up lands in a preserved state (especially productive timberlands) doesn't look too good when the place erupts in flames when Mother Nature sends out her next conflagration of crown fires.
 
so now russia and brazil can cut more wood and expand the timber production to serve the american market :cheers:
 
A little perspective on things,
In 1987 I worked the summer for the city I live in, we had a 1 ton dump, two half ton pickups and a TLB. I started out filling potholes, I'd go out with a pick and a shovel, dig out the pothole, baracade it and others, then make a run for asphalt when I had enough holes to fill. Later on they bought an air comp. and a jackhammer that I used. There were four of us then.
Now, we have a crew of eight, three Bobcats, a TLB, three 7 ton dump trucks, a bucket truck and a fleet of 3/4 ton pickups. Any road work has to be contracted out, or they just dump something over the pothole and pack it down somewhat.
They can't have the crew do any "hard physical labor" out of fear of workmans comp issues.
Seems we are going backwards to me.
 
More Obama gayness. . . GREAT!

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THIS is how they start an argument in favor of more parks?

In the last 40 years, the fastest growth in the West has been in communities that are adjacent to protected public lands.

Well that's simple...the way you combat this is to turn the highways argument (that all building new roads does is encourage more development and sprawl) around on them -- all making more parks does is cause even MORE land to be developed because people would like to live next to them.

I know it's a simple minded argument, it's just if they said that in a debate with me I'd have them by the throat in a moment pointing out if their statement is true then glass-bubble preservation is counter-productive by accelerating rural development by folks who don't live and work in the area full-time (and the accompanying carbon intensive transportation needs for them to vacation, commute, and be supplied), whereas "working lands" has less infrastructure built to support humans and the people who live their predominantly work there.

Just sayin'. Use at your own risk, it might make their heads explode.
 
The thing is, the majority of those jobs are what I call the $1.98 an hour jobs. Minimum wage. Seasonal. Of course, forestry can be seasonal also.

Who gets the park concessions? It is a big corporation from out of state. Even our National Forest campgrounds are contracted out to a firm based in Oregon.

We can't have much growth in my area. We don't have the infrastructure. We don't have a sewage facility, or a lot of ground above the flood plain. Maybe the hotels can have composting toilets, and be built on stilts.
Emptying compost toilets ought to pay more than minimum wage.

We are outnumbered by gullible folks who think hands off management is the way to go. They don't trust foresters or loggers. Until we get some of that trust back, make touchy feelie movies and cartoons about management of forests, put up billboards that have a catchy slogan, and talk about how forests can be harvested AND played in, the park idea will be seen by the majority of people as a nice thing to do.

I've about given up. I guess we'll just let 'er burn. We're outnumbered, outspent, and outgunned. It really doesn't matter which political party is in charge.

And, as far as presidents go, I did not see anything different from the previous administration, except we were supposed to hire more disabled people. Here, we are still tethered by the Northwest Forest Plan. Oh, the forest timber target has gone up, but sounds like it won't be met.
 
So you're saying us "younger", future Forestry folks will have to really kick it in the ass to try to get anything done? :blob2:
 
Gary has given us the Stink Eye. From the rearview mirror. Real scowl-like :hmm3grin2orange:

HAHA! :laugh:

Actually I was gearing up for an Obama bashing. It was like when one of our good friends here posted up some work he did with Sarah Palin, and the political geniuses were frothing at the mouth to post a bunch of crap in his thread. Even when he asked them over and over... very nicely... to stop. They kept at it.

So this has gone good so far... :)

Gary
 
HAHA! :laugh:

Actually I was gearing up for an Obama bashing. It was like when one of our good friends here posted up some work he did with Sarah Palin, and the political geniuses were frothing at the mouth to post a bunch of crap in his thread. Even when he asked them over and over... very nicely... to stop. They kept at it.

So this has gone good so far... :)

Gary

Sarah has some nice "thingies", I'd like to play with them!
Hi Gary!
 
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