Falling pics 11/25/09
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But, but I told you the story about the helicopter that broke down right when the steepest part of the unit was next, and about how people had to light it, and about the rock that hit a lighter in the back...and the 30 hour shift...
For flat ground, the Apache Sitgreaves Forest had their "Chariot of Fire" which was a little trailer that shot out flame from either side and was pulled by an ATV. Their original prototype burned up on its trial run along with the ATV.
Be there any ping pong ball videos out there???
forestryworks
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Saw one of those in action once, pretty neat. Excellent for huge rx burns.
An excellent rx burn documentary filmed in the Everglades of Florida. I believe they used the ping pong balls you mentioned. 2:20 mark if I remember...
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You fs kids get all the cool tools, where can I get one of them launchers... I promise I'll only use it on slash piles, and camp fires...
bitzer
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Yep, thats what I need. I will probably end up finding a guy who knows how to run excavators and backhoes. If I lived a few hours of north of me I would have less of a problem finding guys with woods experience. Training someone might be better for me in some ways. At least he would be doing it the way I want for now. Finding a guy who is not going to beat the crap out of my machine is going to be the toughest part I think. I bet its really easy to put someone in there that would cost me money. That and finding someone who wants to work bad enough they are going to pay to come to work. Workers comp and general liabilty are not cheap up front costs to a guy who doesn't have much. I can't afford to actually hire someone at $.32 per dollar on my workers comp policy.
Samlock
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Bitz, have you thought of not hiring but sharing your jobs? I got a list of guys whom I can call whenever I'm planning to cut somewhere. Forwarders, harvesters, tractors, excavators - I don't need to own any, but I always have one, maintained, fueled, delivered, with an operator sitting on it when I need. Nobody's working entirely for me and I'm not working entirely for anyone. It's more like a network of independent contractors. That's how the expensive machines keep running full time and nobody bears alone responsibility of keeping his people busy.
Ironic, I just started a thread in bis management, on this very subject...
bitzer
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That is a possiblity although I've got the machine already. There is a guy cutting for my mill working for a different forester in my area. I guess we've been working 20-30 miles apart for several months now and I didn't know it. He has a couple of cable skidders and it sounds like he has an operator while he cuts. From what I understand he has gone through three different guys since last fall. The only issue I would see happening is that I don't want to turn into the pulp ##### because I've got the the machine for it. I'd rather not pulp at all but its kind of a necessary evil around here. I think I'm going to get a hold of him and see what his story is. The foresters have been kind of attempting to get us to work jobs together and I have been somewhat reluctant for the pulp reason. We had one job that fell through because of lack of snow that we would have worked on. The other thing is since we are both used to doing things our own way we would probably end up butting heads. I'm pretty laid back, but can definetly be stubborn. Thats probably why I've worked alone thus far. He also lives several hours to the north. I'd like to have a local guy. Splitting who gets paid what would be an issue too and at mill sub-contractor rates there isn't much to fight over. So yeah I've pretty much talked myself out of that deal if you can tell. I'm thinking fresh guy that I can mold, fresh to the logging buisness that is.
Samlock
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I hear you. A working network requires a bunch of guys with variety of machinery and different locations. That way you can always pick up the nearest guy with suitable gear and room in his calendar. With one or two comrades - yeah, there will be conflicts. You also need an option to drop off a guy without getting into trouble.
Everyone needs to have more or less fixed price lists too.
I hope you'll find good people someday, Bitz. A lone wolf business is not easy way to earn living.
Unless your a good judge people, you might have to burn through, 9-10 before you find a good one. Lots of people want to be big bad @@@ loggers or "lumber jerks" but just don't get it, or wuss out on ya, or get drunked or drugged up and forget to show up fer work. Lately it seems everywhere is like that though... People want a job but Gods forbid if they have to work...:msp_angry:
OlympicYJ
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Bitz, training a guy to your way of doing things for your operation would be the way to go. A Timber Co I worked for had a contractor with a green guy screwing up the bucking. They said they'd fire him but our guy said no I'll spend time with him and train him otherwise we'll have the same problem just a different guy.
Hopefully you can find a guy that thinks on his feet and has some initiative but can also follow along with your plan. I would also want a guy to present his idea's if he thinks it's a good one. Unfortunately my last two sentences do not describe a very large percentage of the work force...
Hopefully you can find a guy that thinks on his feet and has some initiative but can also follow along with your plan. I would also want a guy to present his idea's if he thinks it's a good one. Unfortunately my last two sentences do not describe a very large percentage of the work force...
s.v tmbrjak
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just ask anyone contract cutter any guy that owns a timbco! this is the best way to stay in buisness.
bitzer
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Thanks for the input boys! The hunt is on.
OlympicYJ
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Going after your own guy or subbing out some stuff? Just curious what route your headin.
Good luck!
Wes
bitzer
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Subing an operator. At thirty sum cents on the dollar for workers comp I can't afford to hire anyone. I guess all mechanized crew rates are more like ten cents. Hand cutting crews are often all subbed up here. You'd think there could be different rates for guy sitting in a machine all day picking up hand cut wood. Nope.
s.v tmbrjak
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im headin out in bout an hour to cut some nice dougies for an old man ( payin pretty good ) ill try and sneak in some pics. 
im so excited as i have been sitting at home all winter watching the kids (mr. mom) i love it ....but i hate it... but boss did call me and say the logger we are cuttin for is lookin at a job by the coast so hopefully be back at it soon.
im so excited as i have been sitting at home all winter watching the kids (mr. mom) i love it ....but i hate it... but boss did call me and say the logger we are cuttin for is lookin at a job by the coast so hopefully be back at it soon.
young bucker
Don’t touch my lunch and can of chew..!!.
Some pics of the heli logging around Hope BC
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Not so purty stump.
I took down this storm created oak snag today. Not too big by WC standards, but my biggest diameter to date. I did a little "euro falling" as my bar was 32" and the cut measured 6'2".
Not the best place to park your limbing saw. :msp_sad:
Ron
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I took down this storm created oak snag today. Not too big by WC standards, but my biggest diameter to date. I did a little "euro falling" as my bar was 32" and the cut measured 6'2".
Not the best place to park your limbing saw. :msp_sad:
Ron
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bitzer
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Whats a limbing saw?
