Falling pics 11/25/09

[KiwiBro]

Yeah, kinda neat how it rips along the top of the siz, like it is a zip being unzipped.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Here's the ones of Cody's I had saved.


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I like the angled undercut, would it turn the tree better had the backcut been at the same angle?

 

[bitzer]

It does look like the fibers broke early. Not for lack of trying. Just crappy wood.

Jon you can use any kind of dutchman you want on that far side. I always do.

 

[BeatCJ]

Off the top of my head (which is wooly inside this morning, up too late last night and early again this morning), that looks like a cedar, not really very strong wood, I suspect it would be harder to get it to turn anyway.

 

[Metals406]

Nope, if the tree is big or stringy enough.

Said the blind man to the deaf bugger.

*ETA* was the siz in that bottom pic doing anything? Looks like the fibres didn't pull forward into the siz so how much extra hanging on/steering did they actually do? A bit more from the taller hinge down that side but not as much as if they actually did hold on longer?

It was a rotten Black Cottonwood, he threw the siz in to give himself all the help he could get.

 

[Metals406]

Ok, for the dumbass. You put the sis-wedge on the pulling side to let the tree go further before the fibers twist and break?

Edit: any reason it couldn't be combined with a soft Dutch on the lean side?

Yes, a Siz can be used in conjunction with a swing-dutchman.

 

[Metals406]

Here's the ones of Cody's I had saved.


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Yup, this is a "full-face" Siz. Big, long fiber column -- lined up with a root in a sound tree -- it'll pull hard!

It's really just a tapered block-face; the goal being to allow the fibers in the hinge maximum flex.

You can also bore in behind the face too. It sets up a tall hinge, 'mucho flexo'. Good for dead or fragile/brittle fiber.

 

[Skeans]

Pretty close too?


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[HuskStihl]

I had no idea I've been such an advanced faller all this time! Cool stuff!

 

[Metals406]

Pretty close too?


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I'd call that a tapered block-face, cause its full width. A Siz would come to about 1/2 that distance -- as seen in Cody's pics if you look close.

 

[Skeans]

If you look at his again it's full width


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[Metals406]

If you look at his again it's full width


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I guess it's close on that one, I've been with him when he's put them in, & usually they're not full across, & more "regular face" is left.

I reckon there's a million variations though.

Always room to experiment! :0)

 

[Metals406]

I had no idea I've been such an advanced faller all this time! Cool stuff!

You can start teaching 'accuracy principles' with August.

 

[Skeans]

I guess it's close on that one, I've been with him when he's put them in, & usually they're not full across, & more "regular face" is left.

I reckon there's a million variations though.

Always room to experiment! :0)

You glad busy with fires over there this year?


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[northmanlogging]

Ok, for the dumbass. You put the sis-wedge on the pulling side to let the tree go further before the fibers twist and break?

Edit: any reason it couldn't be combined with a soft Dutch on the lean side?

I do it all the time, as well as cut the hold wood on the off side from the face.

I've found that plunging in an inch or two behind and parallel to the siz on crap wood like cotton wood helps a great deal, like a second siz, Glen aka trampbusheler showed a pic of this once, had to try it

 

[Skeans]

Always liked Glen's full face Dutchmen, you guys have taught me a lot as well as the older guys I've cut with


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[dhskier2]

You can start teaching 'accuracy principles' with August.

I worked on one of the Chessman Flume projects a few years ago... glad those guys weren't in the vicinity at the time

 

[Metals406]

You glad busy with fires over there this year?


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Not quite yet, but we're drier than a popcorn fart already!

 

[HuskStihl]

Missed short, wasn't gonna matter, so I didn't bother to fix it

 

[mdavlee]

Missed short, wasn't gonna matter, so I didn't bother to fix it

You didn't run and scream like a girl this time[emoji6]





Looks a lot less like a monkey screwing a football now.