Felling direction

[Westboastfaller]

Common Name(s): Douglas-Fir
Scientific Name: Pseudotsuga menziesii
Tree Size: 200-250 ft (60-75 m) tall, 5-6 ft (1.5-2 m) trunk diameter
Average Dried Weight: 32 lbs/ft3 (510 kg/m3)
Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .45, .51
Janka Hardness: 620 lbf (2,760 N)
Modulus of Rupture: 12,500 lbf/in2 (86.2 MPa)
Elastic Modulus: 1,765,000 lbf/in2 (12.17 GPa)
Crushing Strength: 6,950 lbf/in2 (47.9 MPa)

I have never put a saw to a Douglas fir, but the numbers say it is less flexible than either of the trees posted above. Not nearly as strong, it is also lighter and easier to crush. That lack of flexibility is probably why you guys are so worried about getting the tree to fall just right off the stump.

Its the strength I want or at least a low offset weight to strength ratio. I can manipulate the flexability easy as well increase the strength in movment.
If I think the offset weigh is too great for a down hill lean on a side hill lay then I will use the weigh in motion to manipulate the weight. and bring it back up.
Doug fir works nice for this.

That sounds like interior Douglas fir weight. Coast doug fir is about 38 lb/ ft3 (wet weight)
and about 11lb more that Western Red Cedar. That's a lot of weight on big trees with big branches when the weight is offset. Lots of veriables as when you should do what. Fir swings realy good

 

[Westboastfaller]

If you are going to quote me inaccurately, don't put it inside quote marks. Using quote marks means that it is word for word, which just ain't so.

No I didn't quote you for exact word for word last week. I certainly wasn't in any way trying to distort or twist your words.
I did say if my actions or words were to bother someone I would apologize. (With in reason)
*Point taken* and for that I do apologize.

 

[JTM]

I had to sharpen my chain before I finished on the small 25' hickory I cut up Saturday. It was only 10" in diameter but I was cutting small pieces to split up and use on the grill. It's a PITA to split by hand, like trying to split sweet gum. I'll save everything to use for the grill. Even take the loppers to the twigs.

 

[madhatte]

I have never put a saw to a Douglas fir, but the numbers say it is less flexible than either of the trees posted above. Not nearly as strong, it is also lighter and easier to crush. That lack of flexibility is probably why you guys are so worried about getting the tree to fall just right off the stump.

DF is pretty strong and tough. The concern with getting it to lay just right is mostly for big, expensive, old-growth trees, especially redwood and cedar. The second-growth stuff I usually cut is pretty easy to swing around and I worry very little about saving BF because I'm not cutting for scale. I do, however, care very much that the fibers are strong enough that my hinge will hold on long enough to get the top where I want it before the tree starts tipping.

 

[northmanlogging]

Just out of curiosity, compare Doug Fir to some of the eastern maples, like sugar or silver, or maybe some of the more marketed versions.

Also compare it to a couple of oaks.

Might be surprising.

 

[Westboastfaller]

Just Google "wood data base.

They are all grouped. All Cedars under C
and such or just search a name of that site.

You got to look at everything. Like red oak is 14480 strength and 1,765,000
but weighs 44 lb per Sq ft dry (about 56 lb) it's stronger, not as flexible, about 18lb heavier than coast fir. Not as tall. It's mainly about offset weigh and how you cut it when it come to falling. A forward Leaning tree with thick holding wood can't advance until it breaks the back fibers (or chairs) because the fibers have nowhere to go. You have to add a vertical face and release the fibers. It's like saying the wood is flexable but how flexable is it at the jaws of the vice? Its not. The numbers don't tell the story, furthermore we don't know how or where on the tree it's tested for strength or flex? Is it an average from heart and sapwood?
that would prove to mean even less.

They are just some fun facts that you can't base an argument on in relation to falling.

 

[pdqdl]

...They are just some fun facts that you can't base an argument on in relation to falling.

Yes...and no. I am pretty sure that all the numbers reported in the database apply to 12% humidity kiln dried lumber. That is a far cry from the wood's condition when we come at it with a chainsaw. On the other hand, this database that I quoted earlier seems to work pretty darned good as a relative comparison for all the trees. The softer weaker lumber seems to match up very nicely with the softer weaker trees, although there may be some exceptions.

 

[Gypo Logger]

No grudge at all. You're not worth it. You weren't worth it then and you're definitely not worth it now.

I answered your question about gunning sticks politely and I was willing to leave it at that until you started running your mouth.

You remind me of a bratty little kid that purposely aggravates people until somebody gets tired of it and gives it back to you, thus giving you the attention you seek and seem to need so desperately. You argue and whine and try to excuse your poor behavior by claiming that you were attacked. You bring it on yourself.

Every once in awhile you show up on the F&L section, cast aspersions on the PNW loggers, pick a fight, get your butt handed to you, and then you sulk and pout and display your hurt feelings like a badge of honor. You're too well known here and nobody buys that any more.
Aren't you tired of your behavior yet? I know most of us are.

What a worthless piece of ***** you turned out to be. Beat it, you goof!

 

[Gypo Logger]

Gosukit got ran out on a rail when he was a moderator, and lied profusely about being a logger. He needs a good punch in the forehead. Lol. Never seen such a limp wristed mofo before or since.Gosukit would give his father a ******* to do his mother out of a piece of tail. Lol

 

[RandyMac]

John, maybe you shouldn't be using aluminum tubing for your still.

 

[Gypo Logger]

There is a reason you aren't a mod anymore; I'm pretty sure it had something to do with rude behavior and chasing folks out of what you considered your private domain.

Oh yes! I remember! You banned me, and the management reversed your decision when they reviewed the record (at my request). They also apologized for your actions and it wasn't too long after that you weren't a mod anymore.

It seems that you are still holding a grudge.

You're right on the money! Gosukit is the most hated wannabe logger/mod that ever joined AS. Talk about an inferiority complex! What a legacy this useless pos will take to his grave. Lol

 

[Gypo Logger]

I don't like fighting like this. F&L is about the love of logging and trees, so I bury the hatchet, but I won't let anybody ruin it for anybody else.
Cheers!
John

 

[Gypo Logger]

John, maybe you shouldn't be using aluminum tubing for your still.

Since when were you Gosuckits bum chum?

 

[madhatte]

You're right on the money! Gosukit is the most hated wannabe logger/mod that ever joined AS. Talk about an inferiority complex! What a legacy this useless pos will take to his grave. Lol

John, man, really? Not liking a person is one thing. I am OK with that. Impugning a person's character, though... that's a whole different level. I do believe that an apology is in order. If you're gonna make it personal, keep it personal -- via PM.

 

[bitzer]

How did I miss this thread blowing up?

Nobody uses a Dutchman in deciduous trees? Hahaha, that's just ridiculous. Where the hell has this guy been the last 7-8 years I've been posting pictures and videos?

Its pretty much common sense why gunning sticks would be used in huge timber.

A little sideways on your stump isn't going to do **** for the swing of it.


I think you're all a bunch of *******.

 

[ropensaddle]

I've never tried it but folks that make self-bows seem to prefer it. Can look pretty interesting as a limb lamination too.

Osage is the best bow wood period it however is a bear to work with the draw knife. In self bows it is unparalleled, however: much care must be taken to follow one continuous growth ring from tip to tip and that includes knots which will be raised to follow the growth ring on the bows back! Misleading because its actually the front seen from the target! There is a reason it was highly prized by plains Indians, it would spit an arrow plumb through a buffalo. Osage bows also get stronger as they age even after the typical 2 year curing time.

 

[Gypo Logger]

John, man, really? Not liking a person is one thing. I am OK with that. Impugning a person's character, though... that's a whole different level. I do believe that an apology is in order. If you're gonna make it personal, keep it personal -- via PM.

Yes, you are correct, and I will apologize after Bob offers an apology to all others he banned or attacked. Lol

 

[RandyMac]

Since when were you Gosuckits bum chum?

I don't like fighting like this. F&L is about the love of logging and trees, so I bury the hatchet, but I won't let anybody ruin it for anybody else.
Cheers!
John

Hypocrite.

 

[madhatte]

Yes, you are correct, and I will apologize after Bob offers an apology to all others he banned or attacked. Lol

It would be way easier for all involved if you extended the olive branch first, since we are only talking about one person and one post here. It doesn't seem at all reasonable to ask somebody to tunnel through years of interactions to attempt to negate all possible or imagined slights. Think of it as a logistical problem.

 

[KiwiBro]