Fire

[slowp]

Not even with the removal of fuel with an army of volunteers from the local community? I can see where the public sector unions might object to honest work.

Give it up. Your prejudice and disrespect for public workers is showing.

When I first started, we evil gubmint workers did do precommercial thinning on a large scale. Then a certain anti-gubmint president came into power and stopped that. It was all to be contracted out and contracting actually cost more than having us do the work. It also started the race to the bottom. Contractors kept hiring a cheaper workforce, and one was even found to be keeping folks at work against their will. Local people were not hired, as was promised and were bid out of the contracts as they could not legitimately work for such a little amount of money.

That's your honest work. The race to the bottom.

 

[TBS]

We could barely get enough competent volunteers to help with our parks earth day projects and got to the point where we just gave up on the idea. If you set up a volunteer project for bush removal its going to take awhile to get enough people for a project like that.

 

[Blue Oaks]

Well, fire season is over in my neck of the woods. We got some rain last night, and more is forecast for this week.

 

[mountainguyed67]

I assume you literally mean to have them out on the ground?

I‘m sure he means “those folks” making it policy to get others to do it.

 

[atpchas]

Check out the smoke plume from the Alisal fire.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148950/alisal-fire-rages-near-santa-barbara?src=nha

 

[Hddnis]

Not even with the removal of fuel with an army of volunteers from the local community? I can see where the public sector unions might object to honest work.

I don't think you understand just how huge the forests are, or how expensive machines are. I do this work, for private people around their homes, and it is physically very hard work. We use mostly machines, just sitting in the seat wears you out because the ground is so steep. Then comes the days you have to hand cut, up and down the slopes you work, hanging on with your eyebrows so you can use two hands on the saw. At night you ache all over, but you get up and do it again the next day.

If you can find volunteers to work this hard let me know, I'll bring popcorn and watch that.

 

[slowp]

I might volunteer if there was pie and cake available. I wouldn't last very long though. When i was a twenty something, it took a week to get a chainsaw fit body going. Now????? Probably a year or more.

Have worked with volunteers on trails. By the time the ice breaking exercise is over, the safety rules discussed, equipment handed out and how to work it discussed, there isn't a whole lot of time left. Then there are people like me, who like to start early in the morning so as to get stuff done before it gets too hot, and we morning people are rare amongst the volunteers.

The Backcountry Horsemen (and women) do get a lot done because they work amongst themselves and are a cohesive, trained group of folks. They can dispense with some of the formalities. Some of them have a lot of experience.

 

[Drptrch]

Well, fire season is over in my neck of the woods. We got some rain last night, and more is forecast for this week.

We’ll see

https://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/outlooks/Outlook_NOps.pdf

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[Blue Oaks]

We’ll see

https://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/predictive/outlooks/Outlook_NOps.pdf

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That was issued on 10/4. Do you think they will take into account the recent and upcoming rain in a new publication?

 

[Drptrch]

That was issued on 10/4. Do you think they will take into account the recent and upcoming rain in a new publication?

Yep. October and November have been typically dangerous fire months in California


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[Drptrch]

That was issued on 10/4. Do you think they will take into account the recent and upcoming rain in a new publication?

A little pre-drizzle burn up Sonoma County way

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[slowp]

There was a wildfire in the woods on Monday a bit south of here. Today, if the forecast is correct, there should be no more for the winter.

I spent Thanksgiving, 1980something in SoCal on a large fire. Turkey sandwiches.

 

[TBS]

https://www.moonshineink.com/opinion/adversarial-front-line-caused-by-forest-service-ineptitude/

 

[slowp]

The Forest Service fire organization is not there to protect structures. That's well known. They have done so. Nor are employees supposed to risk their lives like urban departments. The author is a bit mixed up in expecting that. And yes, the FS is trying to let forests burn, but not fry. That's hard to do.

In my part of the world, they have put people on small back country and wilderness fires in order to monitor them. They hope that the fire will stay low intensity and creep around and do some good. Unfortunately, the wind comes up and these fires blow up and then we've got a large fire that won't go out until fall rains start.

The FS is damned if they do and damned if they don't just like in so many other aspects of forestry. I've never been on a fire where anybody around me was intentionally dragging it on. I have heard of smokejumpers "milking" fires to keep them going, but that's unconfirmed.

Whatever. It's a real mess and I don't think anything will improve. Maybe enough forest will burn up that there won't be much left to burn for a few years. The FS has had a mass exodus of employees and hasn't really ever worked much on replacing that knowledge. The failed to retrain younger people and even brought some retirees back as contractors to help out instead.

 

[mountainguyed67]

The Forest Service fire organization is not there to protect structures. That's well known. They have done so. Nor are employees supposed to risk their lives like urban departments. The author is a bit mixed up in expecting that. And yes, the FS is trying to let forests burn, but not fry. That's hard to do.

Agreed. I think the author was talking about that which he did not understand, looking in from the outside. There’s some truth to what he’s saying, but he’s making it out to be worse than it is. He was talking in absolutes. I’ve known USFS to wrap private cabins, it doesn’t seem unusual for them to do so.

 

[Drptrch]

On this day we remember:

https://www.wildfirelessons.net/Hig...062-3812-4fd1-a7d5-5bc10defe7d2&forceDialog=0

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[Blue Oaks]

On this day we remember:

https://www.wildfirelessons.net/Hig...062-3812-4fd1-a7d5-5bc10defe7d2&forceDialog=0

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Dang.

"The fire reached the fatality site sometime between 7:00 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. PDT. The combination of strong surface wind speeds and the influence of the rising smoke plume, slopes, and heavy fuels along with significant spot fires burning together created an area ignition event. Firefighters assigned to structure protection on Gorgonio View Road and Wonderview Road observed the area ignition occur. They noted a topographical “bowl” about ¼ square mile in size became fully engulfed in flames in less than five minutes."

 

[Drptrch]

Dang.

"The fire reached the fatality site sometime between 7:00 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. PDT. The combination of strong surface wind speeds and the influence of the rising smoke plume, slopes, and heavy fuels along with significant spot fires burning together created an area ignition event. Firefighters assigned to structure protection on Gorgonio View Road and Wonderview Road observed the area ignition occur. They noted a topographical “bowl” about ¼ square mile in size became fully engulfed in flames in less than five minutes."

Pretty ominous site in person, and the property owner (a chatty character) maintains its presence and history very well.
He has rebuilt and maintains a residence there, but his wife can’t come to terms with staying there and just visits

If you ever have the chance and haven’t : the Rattlesnake burn over from the 50’s is a place to see and visit up on the Mendo near Alder Springs West of Williams

Edit : West of Williams

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[Drptrch]

Anniversary of LODD Steven Rucker, Novato FPD, 2003 Cedar Fire, SoCal

https://www.wildfirelessons.net/Hig...a0e-eed9-4c1a-b976-998ee33fdb21&forceDialog=0

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVnpg5kPBNA/?utm_medium=copy_link

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[Drptrch]

And on this day in California fire let us remember:
Loop Fire Fatalities 1966 Angeles NF

https://www.nwcg.gov/print/19764

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