Flu Shot

[BlackenedTimber]

I won't be getting one anytime soon.

Healthy as an Ox, and rarely sick. Lotsa zinc when I feel a little sniffle coming on.

I dont really trust the govt to regulate my health. Remember that the Anthrax attacks following 9/11 were determined by 18 seperate microbiologists to have contained H3 and H4 US-Manufactured Military-Grade Anthrax... I'll fend for myself.

As far as the fermaldehyde (sp?) go ahead and drink a diet coke, or put some sweet n low in your coffee. Aspartame metablozies into embalming fluid in your guts once the body has processed it, and has been linked to neurological diseases, alzheimers, heart and lung problems, and certain types of cancer. It has been banned in almost all of Europe (not that I agree with them on many things) as of the 1970's, and Germany in 1938. Only after Mr. Rumsfeld appointed his own man to the FDA in the 70's did Aspartame get approved, ofcourse, he worked for the company that created aspartame... All facts fellas.

It pays to listen to those random AM-band consipracy theory dudes occasionally... or read a book by Jim Marrs.

My $.02

 

[Curlycherry1]

As far as the fermaldehyde (sp?) go ahead and drink a diet coke, or put some sweet n low in your coffee. Aspartame metablozies into embalming fluid in your guts once the body has processed it, and has been linked to neurological diseases, alzheimers, heart and lung problems, and certain types of cancer. It has been banned in almost all of Europe (not that I agree with them on many things) as of the 1970's, and Germany in 1938. Only after Mr. Rumsfeld appointed his own man to the FDA in the 70's did Aspartame get approved, ofcourse, he worked for the company that created aspartame... All facts fellas.

It pays to listen to those random AM-band consipracy theory dudes occasionally... or read a book by Jim Marrs.

My $.02

Anyone that fears chemicals should never pump their own gas or be around gasoline fumes. There are are more carcinogens and nasties in gasoline than any other chemical you come in contact with on a regular basis. Anyone that really has a fear of chemicals needs to not use gasoline. Diesel is even worse.

 

[ckliff]

correct me if I'm wrong,...

Anyone that fears chemicals should never pump their own gas or be around gasoline fumes. There are are more carcinogens and nasties in gasoline than any other chemical you come in contact with on a regular basis. Anyone that really has a fear of chemicals needs to not use gasoline. Diesel is even worse.

but would there be a difference between pumping gas into your car and drinking the stuff. Yeah, yeah. I know you can breathe in the fumes and get it through your skin, but that still is not comparing apples to apples.

 

[Kansas]

Who is getting one?
Who is offering it to their employes? Free.
If you are not, why not?

Not getting one ever again.

Why? Dont trust the gubermint to be injecting me with experimental stuff dont forget gulf war syndrome same crap here stack up chemicals in your system and presto instant invalid or dead.

I got 1 shot years ago my wife and I did at the same time and we both got sick as hell never again and the fact they say you cant get sick proves they lie.

Kansas

 

[Curlycherry1]

No, his post shows that it's financially beneficial for employers to make sure that their employees get their yearly dose of poison. Never mind the long term effects to YOUR body, you're on the clock making them money.

Flu vaccines are partly composed of carcinogens and heavy metals which potentially have exponentially worse effects than getting the flu for a few days.

You're welcome to let them shoot that crap into you as often as you like, but don't pretend that there are no consequences. Or even that it's beneficial for everyone.

Because there are. And it's not.

Perhaps you should read the package inserts so you could actually see what is in the flu vaccine. Show me one single compound listed in any vaccine that is a listed carcinogen. I'll even go so far as to let you pick a compound that has potential carcinogen chemical structural components. Unless you are growing your own food in your backyard then you are consuming far worse chemicals in the food you eat. And if you are really concerned, then I am sure you never pump your own gas, which BTW contains benzene and other PAH compounds.

Here is the master list to all of flu vaccines on the FDA web site. Ingredients are in the middle of the inserts.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm181950.htm

 

[Curlycherry1]

but would there be a difference between pumping gas into your car and drinking the stuff. Yeah, yeah. I know you can breathe in the fumes and get it through your skin, but that still is not comparing apples to apples.

Actually your lungs make a fine way to get nasties into your system. For some chemicals it is better than swallowing them because your stomach has acids which break some stuff down. Your lungs are made to absorb stuff and they take all manner of small and some large molecules in.

Let's use nicotine as an example. That is how nicotine enters your body when you smoke is through your lungs. It is a decent sized molecule about twice the weight of benzene. It has the structure C10H14N2 and has components that look a lot like benzene. So if nicotine can go into your blood through your lungs, lots of other stuff can too.

If you can smell something, that means it is in your lungs. Whether it comes out or not when you exhale is up to chance.

 

[outofmytree]

Thats it. I am holding my breath. Forever. :taped:

 

[pdqdl]

The H1N1 nasal vaccinations are NOT a killed virus

The H1N1 nasal vaccinations are a live virus, and are being distributed first (in Kansas City) to medical professionals who are at the most risk.

They are NOT being given to any of the staff that are working in any immuno-suppressed departments (Cancer & ICU wards) because of the probability of cross contamination of the vaccine to the patients.

On the news just last night. Good story, well documented.

My guess would be: you'll get sick from it. On the other hand, if you get very sick from the attenuated virus, you might have been deathly ill from the real thing. So it is a matter of choosing your poison.

Myself, I have no fear of any flu. Everybody in my house or at work gets sick when another bug comes through. I catch it too sometimes, but I just feel a little blue, perhaps a small fever, then I am done with it. I seem to have an exceptionally robust immune system. I haven't missed a day at work for many years.

So no shots for me: I prefer to get my flu viruses naturally at no expense.

 

[ddhlakebound]

Perhaps you should read the package inserts so you could actually see what is in the flu vaccine. Show me one single compound listed in any vaccine that is a listed carcinogen. I'll even go so far as to let you pick a compound that has potential carcinogen chemical structural components. Unless you are growing your own food in your backyard then you are consuming far worse chemicals in the food you eat. And if you are really concerned, then I am sure you never pump your own gas, which BTW contains benzene and other PAH compounds.

Here is the master list to all of flu vaccines on the FDA web site. Ingredients are in the middle of the inserts.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm181950.htm

Honestly, I don't trust the FDA to tell me or anyone else the dangers of the things they approve...Just like everything else, the almighty dollar is more important than truth....but just for the sake of argument.....

From your link:

DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, a sterile suspension for intramuscular injection, is supplied in two presentations:
•
Prefilled single dose syringe, 0.5-mL. Thimerosal, a mercury derivative used during manufacture, is removed by subsequent purification steps to a trace amount (≤ 1 mcg mercury per 0.5-mL dose) (3, 11)
•
Multidose vial, 5-mL. Contains thimerosal, a mercury derivative (25 mcg mercury per 0.5-mL dose). Thimerosal is added as preservative. (3,11)


So you either get a trace, or a 25mcg dose, depending.

You've heard of Mercury, right?

Mercury is the second most toxic element on earth to plutonium. Toxicity of mercury has been linked to many different diseases, including autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, depression, and bipolar disorder. The amount of mercury found in one mercury thermometer is enough to pollute a small lake.

http://www.thimerosal-litigation.com/html/dangers.html

Hmmmm........I wonder how todays autism birth rates compare with those from 30-40 years ago.

PS: I do grow/hunt as much of my own food as I'm able, beef, venison, veggies, eggs. I'm nowhere near self sufficient, but I'm working in that direction.

Not pumping gas is pretty hard to avoid....not getting the flu shot is easy.

 

[wood4heat]

All of the conspiricy theorists warnings I've read had to do with two things, adjuvants and thimerosal. Here is what the CDC has to say about both:

"According to current federal plans, only unadjuvanted vaccines will be used in the United States during the 2009 flu season. This includes all of the 2009 H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines that will be available for children and adults in both the injectable and nasal spray formulations. None of these influenza vaccines will contain adjuvants.

The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.

Some 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines will be available in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal."

I am getting the H1N1 shot tonight and have confirmed it will be from a single dose vial. I know the CDC is a government agency and for those of you who think they're out to get you good luck.

 

[Curlycherry1]

All of the conspiricy theorists warnings I've read had to do with two things, adjuvants and thimerosal. Here is what the CDC has to say about both:

"According to current federal plans, only unadjuvanted vaccines will be used in the United States during the 2009 flu season. This includes all of the 2009 H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines that will be available for children and adults in both the injectable and nasal spray formulations. None of these influenza vaccines will contain adjuvants.

The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.

Some 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines will be available in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal."

I am getting the H1N1 shot tonight and have confirmed it will be from a single dose vial. I know the CDC is a government agency and for those of you who think they're out to get you good luck.

I guess I have been thinking about this all wrong. Maybe we should encourage these foil hatters to build their bunkers and avoid the FDA trying to help them. Afterall, their bunker building will stimulate the economy and when (not if) but when a major virus hits the world, they will be the first to go and their land and possessions will available for the rest of us. The paranoia about the guns and O has kept Federal Cartridge up in Anoka , MN running full out. They employ hundreds of people and they all have great job security due to the foil hatters.

 

[Toddppm]

I'm not getting it and neither will my family.
This is local

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345#


Just another reason not to, IMO.

 

[Curlycherry1]

I'm not getting it and neither will my family.
This is local

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345#

Just another reason not to, IMO.

Dystonia is a disease with a 1 in 1,000,000 and that disease is thought to be primarily genetic. That means about 300 people will get that disease in the US.

I hope you do not get in a car then because if you are scared of 1/1,000,000 then you should be freaked out about 1 in 67 which is the chance you will be injured in a car accident. 45,800 people were killed in motor vehicle crashes in 2005, and 2.4 million were injured. That is a whole lot bigger risk than some obscure disease.

http://www.nsc.org/resources/library/report_table_1.aspx

So far the flu has killed more people than have had a chance of getting dystonia. The CDC said that by August 8 it had reports of 477 deaths from the pandemic H1N1 virus, including 36 children under 18.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_88970.html

If you are playing the odds, you are playing the wrong ones.

 

[lego1970]

I don't get the flu shot. I don't trust it for one and I figure I'm at a heathly age group, so I try to let nature takes it's coarse. When I'm old, I'll probably take flu shots. However, on a different note, I believe I got that West Niles Virus about 5 years ago in Austin Texas. I was sleeping in a truck with no A/C and getting eat up by mesqitos. Didn't really think anything of it, but about a day later I started getting a headache, severe muscle cramps, and overall weakness. I've had vomiting type migrane headaches since I was 15 so I'm familiar with bad headaches. This headache topped the chart of pain and I was having severe muscle cramps and numbness all over. When I was driving it felt like my hands and feet were clubs. I couldn't feel the controls anymore. I made it to Chanute, Kansas and spent the next 15-20 hours in the bunk. I remember being hungry and snacking on food that was in the truck without any stomach issues so I don't think it was flu type sickness. I almost called the ambulance to come get me on a couple occasion, but my health insurance was crappy with a real high deductible so I was able to wait it out. I drove home and felt pretty weak for a day or two but otherwise recovered. Luckily this happened on a Friday and the load wasn't supposed to be delivered until Monday. I don't know what it was, but a few months later I was reading an article about that West Niles Virus, and the symtoms seemed similiar.

 

[wood4heat]

Dystonia is a disease with a 1 in 1,000,000 and that disease is thought to be primarily genetic. That means about 300 people will get that disease in the US.

I hope you do not get in a car then because if you are scared of 1/1,000,000 then you should be freaked out about 1 in 67 which is the chance you will be injured in a car accident. 45,800 people were killed in motor vehicle crashes in 2005, and 2.4 million were injured. That is a whole lot bigger risk than some obscure disease.

http://www.nsc.org/resources/library/report_table_1.aspx

So far the flu has killed more people than have had a chance of getting dystonia. The CDC said that by August 8 it had reports of 477 deaths from the pandemic H1N1 virus, including 36 children under 18.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_88970.html

If you are playing the odds, you are playing the wrong ones.

Not to mention the only thing that linked her disease with her flu shot was the timing. I like the comment one of the posters made,

"I drank a cherry cola the day before my second child was conceived - thus - a cherry cola causes pregnancy.

I watched CSI Miami the night my cold began - thus - watching CSI Miami causes the common cold."

 

[Hddnis]

Doctors said that my family should not get flu shots. My grandmother never got them until one year my grandfather talked her into going with him to get his. Shortly after that she got Guillain-Barré Syndrome and it came close to killing her. Actually did kill her, but for the wonders of modern medicine. She was in the hospital for months and at one point machines were breathing for her, she was total vegtable. She recovered fully, but it took about seven years, her recovery beat all the odds and predictions from the doctors. That she was even able to walk again and feed herself was a huge deal.

Back to flu shots.
The family doctors and specialists that helped my grandmother flat out said she got it from the flu shot. They said that her children and grand-children should never get flu shots. The CDC kind of skips over this issue, they don't want to fully address it. They are faced with playing a numbers game of doing the most good for the most people.

This is why the choice should be up to each person. The thing about a numbers game is that some will win and some will lose. People can factor in things that no agency will ever know. Research shows that "hunches" often keep people safe. They really don't know why this works or how. The scientific community doesn't like it because they can't quantify it. I think it is the balance to playing numbers in healthcare. Leave it as a personal choice and you will have the best mix.



Mr. HE

 

[fishercat]

i was just stating the obvious.

This person seems to be implying that a killed virus shot can give you the flu. If so, this person is absolutely wrong.

take from it what you like.

 

[fishercat]

oh..............

Perhaps you should read the package inserts so you could actually see what is in the flu vaccine. Show me one single compound listed in any vaccine that is a listed carcinogen. I'll even go so far as to let you pick a compound that has potential carcinogen chemical structural components. Unless you are growing your own food in your backyard then you are consuming far worse chemicals in the food you eat. And if you are really concerned, then I am sure you never pump your own gas, which BTW contains benzene and other PAH compounds.

Here is the master list to all of flu vaccines on the FDA web site. Ingredients are in the middle of the inserts.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm181950.htm

a link from the government............it must be the truth then.they would never lie to us.

unbelievable.


when i was mechanic years ago,i worked in a small family owned import repair shop.the owner announced he would pay for flue shots for everyone.it was the owner,his wife,another mechanic and me. i was the only one who didn't get one and in a couple weeks i was the only one working.it was kind of nice working alone.

 

[wood4heat]

a link from the government............it must be the truth then.they would never lie to us.

unbelievable.

You better find a rock and hide under it cause no one can be trusted, the government, doctors, contagious disease experts, etc... They're out to get you and we're all in on it. umpkin2:

 

[fishercat]

thanks!

You better find a rock and hide under it cause no one can be trusted, the government, doctors, contagious disease experts, etc... They're out to get you and we're all in on it. umpkin2:

i am aware who i can trust and who i can't.

as for the FDA,how many things have they had to recall after they said it was perfectly safe?

if you think you can trust the government,you're off your rocker!