I figured you would stop back by here
Yeah, I missed my 'Anger Management' class, thought maybe dealing with trolls would grant me a pass,,:msp_scared:
Jeff :msp_wink:
I figured you would stop back by here
I thought this site, specifically this 101 forum, was for noobs like me to get help. Are the majority of you saying I should give up because its a profession that ends in failure, or because you don't know the type of person I am? I'm willing to put in the work, and learn everything I can. I want to give my daughter a better life than if I were to go flip burgers. The chance to make money I saw while doing all this free work seems to good to pass up. I have removed trees that I should have walked away from because of the amount of work involved for free. If I didn't need the firewood to help cut down on the propane bill, and if I lived closer than the 30 miles to town, I might have walked away. I can't understand why there is so much negativity. I can't get hired on at a tree company, so I thought taking some small jobs so I could start learning would be good. What am I missing guys?
Dude, we love the newb's (noobs), we just want you to slow down and seriously think about what you are asking.
We don't want you to get hurt or worse.
This is not a 'tree climbing school',,101 is not an excuse to ask a stupid or confrontational (tree guy word) question. Well, stupid questions are ok if they dont start with, '.............
That is the nicest I can be.
Jeff
Besides here, where else are you fraudently advertising that you are a tree service? I mean you ain't even got a pole saw!
Thank you sir for your service.
I wish you much success in your wood cutting.
Please remember safety first.
I think you are going to have a hard time getting insurance with no experience. If you have an employee that means workman's comp and disability too. If you do find an insurer it will probably be way more than you make. Just sayin you got more thinkin to do.
My job in the Navy equaled one mistake = big explosion and people died, so attention to detail and safety are at the forefront of anything I do. Its instilled into me if that makes any sense.
That may be so...but someone trained you. And if it was anything like my experience working for the Feds, they trained you exhaustively. What I mean to say is; you don't know what you don't know and your Navy skills don't automatically translate. But it might work. Best of luck.
Wow, I still stick with my first bit of advice!
Your risking your neck and your future business, think about who you are and how you have been taught. There is a right way to do this and a wrong one and if you take the wrong way the first time chances are a few years down the road you will be limited if not doomed (your business future).
If your going to hire someone they are a groundy, not a contractor. I am a contractor, I do the hiring! I also do the work but contractors get the jobs subcontractors are hired to do some of the work if need be.
I would say your real liability and workers compensation cost will be $3k plus to get started and may be based on last years income (which will be unavailable from tree work)
The first step in a legit business is applying for a tax card or business ID, (when you name your business)
To be a real tree service you will need some small and some large equipment, pay your taxes, save your extra, buy what you can, and find a tree guy to drag brush for.
Good luck, Thank you for your time and service!!!!
I went through all that for your good, not mine, since I have been helping, hiring tree men for years and am just now starting to figure doing my part of some jobs on my own.
I just graduated from 2 years of college. I took urban forestry and arboriculture. Let me tell ya, I know the basics on how to get a job done properly and safely but what I have learned is their are things that you learn as you go along. Like how diff species react to certain cuts at a certain time of year. The fact that someone wants to just pick up a chainsaw and say well, it can't be that hard, a bunch of farmer hillbillies and tree huggers can do it so can I! After two years their were many guys that needed a lot more training. I wish you luck with whatever you do but man I think ya gotta slow down and realize its not just a job it's very dangerous and doesn't really pay all that well lol. Get some education, more than just reading threads here. Cheers
These guys know what they're talking about NEK, and they're not telling near as much as they actually know, they're just trying to point you in the right direction and get you to give each step you take serious consideration.
Ambition is a good thing, there are a lot of things that you don't know about this sort of work. Felling trees along pasture fields, and dismantling trees around people's houses are worlds apart, both in difficulty, and in skill, time, cost, and equipment required to do it safely and efficiently, and even being able to complete the job at all.
Cutting thorn trees out of a fence line is child's play compared to safely removing say a 36" DBH Oak that's hanging over a $2000,000.00 house without destroying the house and/or the yard in the process. Even if you did; How would you remove something that big, or half that size, once it's down? The H.O. isn't going to have the patience to wait for you to cut it into firewood and haul it home a p.u. truck load at a time.
I know stuff like this sounds knit picking and is discouraging to hear when you're eager to make money, but it's stuff you will have to deal with once you start the actual work.
Just be aware that there are things you haven't considered and they will catch you with your pants around your ankles sooner or later if you let your ambition bite off more than you can chew.
You will need other people, and LOTS of equipment to make a go in the tree business. If you could make a go of it doing the easy stuff everybody would be doing it. Tree services make their money doing what others can't do.