forestryworks
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been looking at jobs lately - and one of the skills they list as a preferred skill is "general logging techniques"
can anyone elaborate fully on this?
can anyone elaborate fully on this?
general logging techniques
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cantcutter
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I am guessing that they mean a basic knowlege of logging. i.e. proper way to start the saw....Osha style, sharpen chain, fell a tree, maybe knowlege of Best Managment practices etc.
What are these? They look like they might come in handy for my demolition project. On logging techniques, what part of the country? What kind of ground? What kind of equipment? What is the meaning of life? Sorry, coffee just kicked in finally.
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Knowing "general logging techniques" for a "job" can mean a lot of things!
Might help if you say what type of job this is for and the geographic area it is for. Then where does this company do work? Some companies work locally, others could do work worldwide.
This can be quite different by area. What they do in Texas and be quite different from what is done in the Pacific Nortwest. Then Canada has it own rules and techniques.
Then the specific "job"? Logging? Contracts and paperwork related? Engineering and design of logging equipment? Working for U.S. Forest service? OSHA and safety?
In general you can search google.com for logging and find all sorts of information...
Might help if you say what type of job this is for and the geographic area it is for. Then where does this company do work? Some companies work locally, others could do work worldwide.
This can be quite different by area. What they do in Texas and be quite different from what is done in the Pacific Nortwest. Then Canada has it own rules and techniques.
Then the specific "job"? Logging? Contracts and paperwork related? Engineering and design of logging equipment? Working for U.S. Forest service? OSHA and safety?
In general you can search google.com for logging and find all sorts of information...
forestryworks
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it's chaser and chokersetting in Oregon
and they also prefer knowledge of whistle signals...
and they also prefer knowledge of whistle signals...
Knowing the whistles will do you little good if you dont know the corresponding lines in the logging layout. Can probably be found online. Hi-lead logging and hi-lead whistles.
I dont want to discourage you but if you live in Texas and are trying to get a chokersetting job in Oregon with no experience, it wont happen.
But, if it is like it used to be, it is the kind of job you could get if you are there in the morning, when they are short handed, have a hard hat, cork boots and heavy cotton gloves. And you are ready to go.
I dont want to discourage you but if you live in Texas and are trying to get a chokersetting job in Oregon with no experience, it wont happen.
But, if it is like it used to be, it is the kind of job you could get if you are there in the morning, when they are short handed, have a hard hat, cork boots and heavy cotton gloves. And you are ready to go.
Oregon OSHA might have a logging site where they list the signals/whistles.
Washington State Department of Labor and Industries definitely has such a thing. I don't have it bookmarked on this computer so you'll have to do a search. If it is skyline, there's a few more whistles to learn than with a high lead. Take a bag of snacks with you too. The guys up here don't stop for lunch but munch when they can. And have a sense of humor, no offense, but being from Texas and learning to log in Oregon (pronounced Orygun) is probably going to make for some good joke/prank material. And if you're on USFS land, always be nice to the Sale Administrator.
Washington State Department of Labor and Industries definitely has such a thing. I don't have it bookmarked on this computer so you'll have to do a search. If it is skyline, there's a few more whistles to learn than with a high lead. Take a bag of snacks with you too. The guys up here don't stop for lunch but munch when they can. And have a sense of humor, no offense, but being from Texas and learning to log in Oregon (pronounced Orygun) is probably going to make for some good joke/prank material. And if you're on USFS land, always be nice to the Sale Administrator.
Oregon OSHA might have a logging site where they list the signals/whistles.
Washington State Department of Labor and Industries definitely has such a thing. I don't have it bookmarked on this computer so you'll have to do a search. If it is skyline, there's a few more whistles to learn than with a high lead. Take a bag of snacks with you too. The guys up here don't stop for lunch but munch when they can. And have a sense of humor, no offense, but being from Texas and learning to log in Oregon (pronounced Orygun) is probably going to make for some good joke/prank material. And if you're on USFS land, always be nice to the Sale Administrator.
:hmm3grin2orange: If you have any doubt about which person is the Sale Administrator just look for someone with the cleanest clothes,the cleanest hands, the least dented hardhat, driving the newest and cleanest pickup, and alternating between looking stern and looking confused.
They might show up quite a bit later in the day than the loggers but they beat them home every time. Good thing I'm working private ground, eh?
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Hehe he, They might be wearing something in pastel. I bet they don't beat the fallers home very often.
Well said.
And they like it when there's a place to park their clean rig . That way they don't have to carry the cheese so far to go with the whine.
The violin gets heavy too. 
By the way, the "Bubblegum" colored fabric dye has arrived. Maybe this weekend a pinkish hickory shirt will be born.
The violin gets heavy too. By the way, the "Bubblegum" colored fabric dye has arrived. Maybe this weekend a pinkish hickory shirt will be born.
And they like it when there's a place to park their clean rig . That way they don't have to carry the cheese so far to go with the whine.
They already have a place to park their rig...wherever it slows down the flow of truck traffic because they don't get far enough off into the brush and the trucks have to inch by.
And...bubblegum? BUBBLEGUM???!!! Geeeeeeze. Tell you what, when you get the shirt done, post some pictures, or Email them to me. I have some friends who work for the USFS (I don't admit that to just everybody and certainly not to the people I work with) I want them to see what their well dressed peers from the north country are wearing these days.
If it starts a fashion trend amongst the drivers of green pickups and carriers of clipboards I wouldn't be surprised.
If it starts a fashion trend among loggers I'll probably retire. We had a truck driver show up for work in shorts the other day so anythings possible.
And...Forestryworks, I promise to get this thread back on topic as soon as possible.
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Clearly you are not familiar with the woods. They likely mean the above named "High-Lead Logging" which involves a few things. Best to look it up on the internet if you don't know anyone that knows something.BTW you can get a job like this in Oregon with no experience, just anticipate taking a bit of crap from some of the vets. If you have the will and the strength you will get something. Nowadays we have equal opportunity employment with at least a few 
outfits, so I wouldn't worry. Best of luck to ya.
outfits, so I wouldn't worry. Best of luck to ya.They use a gizmo called a "Talkie Tooter"...
http://www.rothenbuhlereng.com/ttproducts.htm
http://www.talkietooter.ca
Standard Yarding System Whistle Signals...
http://www.orosha.org/pdf/rules/division_7/div7_appendices.pdf
Safety...
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logging/mainpage.html
Choker setting...
http://www.vannattabros.com/iron39.html
Choker setting in logging competition...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN5msOTko-o
Then other than that, the way I see most guys get hired around here is at the local bar. They get to know you, then one day they need someone, then you are hired!
Note you need to find a small town bar where the loggers hang out. You will see pick-up trucks parked outside with roll bar/screen louvers to protect rear window and a gas tank/gas pump in back. The loggers have filthy pants, muddy boots, and are wearing suspenders.
They also require a drug test. (A friend of mine said "Oh you want me to test drugs? OK!" - The boss was not amused...)
Note some of the hills are quite steep and you need to walk up/down these many times a day. The slope can be like this! ----> /
Here are the "Cork boots" worn. The kind which are the tallest and have spikes on the bottom...
http://www.woodslogging.com/footwear.htm
On the following page is a picture of a red pick-up. The roll bar/window guard on this truck is the kind most logger's pickups have around here. But also with lights on top to see what you are working on when dark, fuel tank instead of tool box many times, longer bed, and does not look brand spanking new - has dust, dirt and mud everywhere on truck...
http://www.woodslogging.com/truck.htm
http://www.woodslogging.com/footwear.htm
On the following page is a picture of a red pick-up. The roll bar/window guard on this truck is the kind most logger's pickups have around here. But also with lights on top to see what you are working on when dark, fuel tank instead of tool box many times, longer bed, and does not look brand spanking new - has dust, dirt and mud everywhere on truck...
http://www.woodslogging.com/truck.htm
High Lead: Has 2 drums in use on the yarder. No carriage, just a slab of iron with some chokers hooked to it. "Butt Rigging". They use this to log clearcuts. A mainline is attached to the butt rigging which is attached on the other side to a haulback line. There's blocks usually rigged up to stumps in the bottom of the unit. Haulback pulls rigging down to where the logs are, mainline pulls it back up to the landing and yarder.
Skyline: Used in both clearcuts and partial cuts. A line (skyline) is rigged from the yarder down (or up) to a tail hold, often up in a tree for lift. That would be the tail tree or lift tree. A carriage runs on top of the skyline (think about that pulley thing that James Bond and Jackie Chan often use to get away on) The carriage carries the mainline down the skyline. Chokers are attached to the main line. Most carriages are "motorized" around here and will pull the mainline off the yarder drum so not as much muscle is needed to pull line. Line is pulled through the carriage, out to the logs and chokers set.
Two shorts? Better check to make sure, and the yarder engineer spools in the mainline and the logs up to the carriage. When the logs hit the main corridor or road (the straight cleared area going to the landing) 3 shorts and away the logs go. The carriage has hydraulic clamps on it that act as brakes and hold it on the skyline. One short is stop. There's a lot of other skyline set ups but this one is most common, gravity, flyer, etc. names. Logging downhill requires a haulback and a flat runout area ahead of the landing so the logs don't slam into the yarder and loader.
In Eastern Warshington, yarders are referred to as "line skidders".
The guy running the yarder is the Yarder Engineer and is powerful.
The guy running the loader, also called the shovel, is the Loader Operator and is also powerful and often cranky because he deals with truck drivers.
The chaser, not powerful, is up on the landing and unhooks logs, cuts branches off logs (also called knot bumping) , cuts broken ends off logs, fetches things from the crummy, and does what the yarder engineer and shovel operator tell him. Splicing is a good skill to have. The chaser also packs guylines out to the stump, sometimes cuts down trees for guylines and swing room, and keeps the landing saw sharp and fueled up. The chaser is usually on the go.
The hooktender is in charge of the chokersetters. He goes ahead and rigs up trees for the next setting and derigs the trees that were used in the last setting. The chokersetters set chokers. The rigging crew and the chaser all participate in rigging guylines, pulling the haywire, and moving the equipment.
The chaser and rigging crew can consume mass quantities of calories and stay thin. The yarder engineer and shovel operator cannot.
Some helpful hints: If you are going to quit, wait till the end of the day when you might get ride into town. Otherwise, you might be walking back to town.
Keep your cool when you are being told "you move like an old lady." , which I really am getting to be an old lady so don't find this offensive. Don't whine. Run when everybody else is and go in the same direction. If you see your fellow crewmembers diving to the ground, you better dive too, and then keep your head down. Show up for work and don't make the crummy driver get you out of bed. And, be nice to the sale administrator.
The attachment shows a typical crummy. This one originates in Oregon.
By the way, if you are going to work in Western Oregon, you should know what poison oak looks like. And, here in Western Warshington, our serious rainy season can begin in October and usually November and on is definitely the rainy season. Goretex won't last, you need the heavy duty rubberized pants and top. These can be repaired with duck tape and shoe goo. On the western slopes of the Cascades, we get lots of snow from about 2500' up. It is heavy gloppy wet snow. Lower elevations often get snow too. The coast range gets snow higher up, and lots of horizontal rain. There, this oughtta help a little. Remember, different areas use different terminology.
Disclaimer: The author was quite dehydrated and in the midst of rehydrating while writing this piece.
Skyline: Used in both clearcuts and partial cuts. A line (skyline) is rigged from the yarder down (or up) to a tail hold, often up in a tree for lift. That would be the tail tree or lift tree. A carriage runs on top of the skyline (think about that pulley thing that James Bond and Jackie Chan often use to get away on) The carriage carries the mainline down the skyline. Chokers are attached to the main line. Most carriages are "motorized" around here and will pull the mainline off the yarder drum so not as much muscle is needed to pull line. Line is pulled through the carriage, out to the logs and chokers set.
Two shorts? Better check to make sure, and the yarder engineer spools in the mainline and the logs up to the carriage. When the logs hit the main corridor or road (the straight cleared area going to the landing) 3 shorts and away the logs go. The carriage has hydraulic clamps on it that act as brakes and hold it on the skyline. One short is stop. There's a lot of other skyline set ups but this one is most common, gravity, flyer, etc. names. Logging downhill requires a haulback and a flat runout area ahead of the landing so the logs don't slam into the yarder and loader.
In Eastern Warshington, yarders are referred to as "line skidders".
The guy running the yarder is the Yarder Engineer and is powerful.
The guy running the loader, also called the shovel, is the Loader Operator and is also powerful and often cranky because he deals with truck drivers.
The chaser, not powerful, is up on the landing and unhooks logs, cuts branches off logs (also called knot bumping) , cuts broken ends off logs, fetches things from the crummy, and does what the yarder engineer and shovel operator tell him. Splicing is a good skill to have. The chaser also packs guylines out to the stump, sometimes cuts down trees for guylines and swing room, and keeps the landing saw sharp and fueled up. The chaser is usually on the go.
The hooktender is in charge of the chokersetters. He goes ahead and rigs up trees for the next setting and derigs the trees that were used in the last setting. The chokersetters set chokers. The rigging crew and the chaser all participate in rigging guylines, pulling the haywire, and moving the equipment.
The chaser and rigging crew can consume mass quantities of calories and stay thin. The yarder engineer and shovel operator cannot.
Some helpful hints: If you are going to quit, wait till the end of the day when you might get ride into town. Otherwise, you might be walking back to town.
Keep your cool when you are being told "you move like an old lady." , which I really am getting to be an old lady so don't find this offensive. Don't whine. Run when everybody else is and go in the same direction. If you see your fellow crewmembers diving to the ground, you better dive too, and then keep your head down. Show up for work and don't make the crummy driver get you out of bed. And, be nice to the sale administrator.
The attachment shows a typical crummy. This one originates in Oregon.
By the way, if you are going to work in Western Oregon, you should know what poison oak looks like. And, here in Western Warshington, our serious rainy season can begin in October and usually November and on is definitely the rainy season. Goretex won't last, you need the heavy duty rubberized pants and top. These can be repaired with duck tape and shoe goo. On the western slopes of the Cascades, we get lots of snow from about 2500' up. It is heavy gloppy wet snow. Lower elevations often get snow too. The coast range gets snow higher up, and lots of horizontal rain. There, this oughtta help a little. Remember, different areas use different terminology.
Disclaimer: The author was quite dehydrated and in the midst of rehydrating while writing this piece.
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