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How long do you think it'll be before we start seeing cloned trees?? -Ralph


http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/09/14/tree.genes.ap/index.html?eref=yahoo

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Researchers have deciphered for the first time the genetic code of a tree, which could lead to new varieties better at producing wood, paper and fuel.

The work could vastly increase cultivation of the black cottonwood, a fast-growing poplar already used by the timber and paper industries. Details of the analysis of the tree's DNA, performed by dozens of researchers in eight countries, appear this week in the journal Science.

Today, the black cottonwood is still considered "wild," even though it's grown for lumber and pulp. Fifteen years from now, fully domesticated varieties of the tree, optimally tuned to grow faster and longer, better resist insects and disease and require less water and nutrients, could be growing like any other crop on tree farms spread across large regions of the United States, researchers said.

To create such poplars, researchers first must hunt among the tree's more than 45,500 genes to understand how they control its growth. Doing so can allow later tinkering, including selective breeding and genetic manipulation to bring out desirable traits. Already, they have found 93 genes associated with the production of cellulose and lignin, which form the walls of plant cells.

One goal is to create a poplar variety that can be used as a source of ethanol, which can be burned as fuel. Currently, ethanol is more expensive and difficult to produce from wood than it is from crops like corn.

Researchers also would like to create poplar varieties to soak up even more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and lessen the impact of the gas on global warming.

The black cottonwood is the third plant, after rice and a weed called Arabidopsis thaliana, to have its genome sequence published. Comparing their respective genomes is expected to shed light on their separate evolutionary paths, researchers said.

The team isolated the sequenced DNA from a poplar tree growing along the Nisqually River in Washington state.

More than three dozen researchers from the U.S., Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany and Sweden were led by Gerald Tuskan of Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee.
 
He means like getting apples from orange tree grafts
There is more DNA in a grain of rice than my whole being
 
Very interesting, but very scary at the same time. Its very difficult to forsee the longterm effects of the things we are manipulating. Who knows when or where some genetic manipulation will begin a cascade reaction.

I think we are messing with things mother nature never intended for us to mess with.

Even many vegetable seeds sold now are genetically manipulated. I've read of manipulated broccoli being reverse engineered, and being found to contain bovine dna.

Heirloom seeds and butchering your own meat supply.......eat like grandpa ate......and hopefully live as long.
 
We cannot get pecans from a orange tree... yet.
Keep in mind for eons of evolution our advancement has been slow, in only the last 100 years we have leaped forward. Chemistry propelled us thru the 80's, other disciplines have all mostly been mastered except niotechnology.
We will invent the word then conquer it. AI will become self aware eventualy and may destory humankind but if it does well just crop up somewhere else.:clap:
As a child I was taught many myths which ive had to overcome, are we the garden of eden of our kind, I think so yes. Are we the only kind? I think not
 
all good points. I was thinking about a tree that a grandpa planted, died, You getting it cloned.
would like to see the am. chestnut come back though. I was wondering why they spent so much time on a black poplar. IMO, better trees to start with, to produce better results. You can get pulpwood anywhere.
Still interesting, and a bit scary at the same time.
-Ralph
 
cloned or designed

Clones Smones.

What we need is designer fruit trees that bear fruit year round, 6 - 10 types of fruit, are not affected by freeze nor hurricanes and are resistant to Brisbane Australia (some) arborists.

They must produce good lumber and firewood.

Just one tree is all we need. All these books and latin names and tree ident classes should just go away.
 
Did you see a show on the history channel the last week, that seemed to deal with high tech problems? The latter part was about computer hackers, even to the level of attempts to invade national security.

Anyhow, one segment was about GE - genetic engineering.

In between clips, they has these interviews with people, and many aspects came forth that I was not aware of.

One man, discussed failure of some crops, like cotton dropping it's cottonballs, or soy beans cracking in the sun.

Apparently, one corn, approved only for animal consumption, got into the USA supply of human corn, and there were quite a few severe allergic reactions. Even after the agencies intervened, supplies the next year, were contaminated to some degree.

They said that there was a shock to the GE community. They thought that humans had 100,000, or so, genes, to make up all our traits and development. They learned that we only have about 30,000. The reason for the shock, is that means that some individual genes may do several different things.

That means that you can't splice one gene, and expect nothing else to happen.

It was an excellent 10 - 15 minute presentation.

Apparently, a grass seed experiment just escaped it's containment area boundaries recently too, and it's not approved yet.
 
smokechase II said:
Clones Smones.

... and are resistant to Brisbane Australia (some) arborists.

Hahahaha, we need the hack proof tree, forget hat racked we ladder racked so losers can just walk up instead of spiking. hahaha

Yeah, lop that branch where-ever ya want, this is a drop tail lizard clone tree and it'll just grow back tomorrow! :hmm3grin2orange:
 
begleytree said:
I was wondering why they spent so much time on a black poplar.
-Ralph

They really don't have the tree in mind just wood fiber. Black poplar grows fast so they probably figure it would be easier to figure out why and make it grow faster. Why clone a Yugo if you can clone a ferrari?

It would be nice to see it used to strengthen the viablity of other specimens though.
 
More like remove natural selection from the picture. We are selecting genes which promote the traits we want from whatever we are manipulating. Faster growth, disease and insect resistance......whatever. The things not being considered are what are scary.

Ecosystems are balanced on a fine line, and when people begin to change the variables within that ecosystem, its much easier for that system to become unbalanced and crash.
 
As some of you already said, clones already exist.
We've been breeding trees for 75 years, cloning is part of the process.
The loblolly pine seed trees in the NC Forest Service's seed orchard are clones (Same goes for other companies).

Weyerhauser even has clonal loblolly pine plantations in South Carolina.
However, we won't see widespread clonal forestry in the southeast. The price of loblolly pine seedling clones are $400 per 1000, over 10 times more expensive than the improved second generation elite single family seedlings that the NCFS sells. That eats a huge part out of your return on investments.
 
It's been happening for some time; I went to a conference at Duke U on it a couple years ago. Attached are my notes--I intended to write an article about it but could not find a hook or a market, so there it sits. Fascinating stuff and yes scary. then again failing to use the nanotechnology may also be scary.

The fanaticism of some of those scientists--and some of their critics--makes it hard to get a grip on what is really going on.:confused:
 
NYCHA FORESTER said:
Sounds like we are talking about trying to speed up Natural Selection

Anyone who has cut down, pruned, fertilized or otherwise made some change to a trees natural progression of growth (and death) has already had an affect on natural selection, however slight it may be. Of course, in a broader view, we too are part nature so is it wrong for us to change these things?
 
It's already been done people. a few years ago there was a proff at university of Guelph (I think) got his fingers slapped big time. My wife remembers the story too. Apparently he genetically modified the elm to be resistant to Dutch elm, and had about 20 specimens growing outside his office before any of the proper protocols for GM organisms had been dealt with. SOMEBODY caught wind of it (maybe he published?) and they were all cut down. I DO know that hte university has a standing order for elm seed from any elm tree that appears to be resistant, and they are planting a plantation the old fashiones way to try and get natural hybrids that are resistant (the old fashioned way.)
 
here's the program for that conference; as you can see a lot was underway two years ago. ncsu spends gazillions on transgenics but nary a dime on arboriculture. :bang:

http://www.nicholas.duke.edu/genomicsforum/program.html

I went in there armed with one course in genetics, taken 20 years prior. I might have caught about 27% of what was going on :blush:, but it was worth the effort. The future's so bright...
 
I've heard that story too. Cloning has been going on for thousands of years. Asexual reproduction, cuttings, grafting, blah blah blah. I can't stand people bad-mouthing GM products. According to Norman Borlaug, winner of the Nobel prize, credited with saving a billion lives with agricultural technology, GM foods will play a key role in ending world hunger, if we will allow it. I believe him. All genetic modification does is speed up and make more powerful a process we've been doing anyway for at least 10,000 years (that's when agriculture was discovered). GM crops are tested at my alma mater. If you eat corn products, you eat GM foods already. 90% of it is GM.

If you don't know who Dr. Borlaug is, you really should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug
 

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