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YUKON 659

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I've been reading threads on this site for a while now and have become interested in doing some tree work. I ' ve been been cutting firewood for quite a while.... I know it's not the same....but I feel I'm ready to try it. I'm not looking to make a living at it... I have a full-time job...just trying to do something I really enjoy!!! I'm not interested in under-cutting or stealing anyones business and I know it's a technical business. Do you think there is any demand for just doing "small jobs"....light residential, non-hazardous (if there is such a thing) take downs and some light trimming? I'm going to start slow. What do you think? I know this is a touchy subject with the full-timers...and I understand your concerns, but understand where I'm comming from, you can only cut so much firewood ....and I really like to work with trees and chainsaws.I hope I havn't offended anyone.

Thanks, Yukon
 
Yes theres alot of smaller jobs floating around i have done 3 such jobs this week
while in route to somewhere else that took about 45 min each and i didnt have to leave the ground to do.I also have 2 to estimate that the trees are already on the ground and since that removes most of the risk just alot of manual labor. but remember you need liability insurance because you never can tell what is liable to happen.
 
If you have not bought "tree climbers companion" yet. Do so.

Find it at Sherrill.

Low and slow is real good. Learn the knots first. Learn how to make a properly prune. A few hundred dollars will get you started.

http://search.dogpile.com/texis/search?q=proper+pruning&geo=no&fs=web

See if there are any tech schools in your area that have tree care courses. There are two in WI that I know of.
 
hey yukon,
go for it! i'm just starting out myself and with the help of arboristsite.com steering me in the right direction, i'm learning new things everytime i log on and i'm starting to pick up jobs left and right. no big removals but a few palms here, a few dead-wooding jobs there, trimming hedges ect. all part time. i've been doing this for just over a month now and things are really starting to take off. my goal is to have a bucket truck by the end of the summer and by next year, make my tree business my full time job and make my full time job my part time!!!!! i'm studying for the ISA exam in may and looking into going up north this fall for some master arborist climbing courses. you can do it!!!!!
budroe:cool:
 
Thanks for the support!!!! .....J.P. you said a few hundred dollars to get started....I've got a saw, ( also in the process of getting a husky 346 for limbing) ropes, come-a-long and a brush/clearing saw. I need to get some protective equipment/clothing. Other than this, is there anything else needed for the basics? Again thanks, and I'll look into purchasing some reference books, AND LIABILITY INSURANCE. Any thoughts on minimum liability coverage? Sorry for so many questions but you guys seem to have the answers I'm looking for!!!!!!!
 
Yukon, back in the eighties when I first went on my own, I saved a few bucks by getting the minimum $40,000 required by the state. It worked for a few years, I rarely had people ask for cert. back then. Better to get at least $500K. But the price diff, between 500, 1 mm, and 2 mm is not huge, so I now have 2 mm.

I've never used or been involved in an ins claim in my 30 yr career. Knock on wood. Done my share of damage, always fixed it, it pays off to keep your record clean.
 
I would think the realestale values somewhat high out side of rochester, get the $1M coverage.

I'm paying under $900/yr for a projected income of $32k. I have not hight restrictions, buissnes description is "tree triming, removal, and cleanup". I am covered as sole proprieter sole employee. I do not have coverage for loss of equipment, but that is only worth $2k. (One more saw and I'll be getting it.)

Watch out on who "helps out", injury claim can ruin you finacialy if you dont have W/C, the premiums can eat you alive.
 
John? who are you covered with?

Yukon, Look into a extendable pole Pruner gas powered of course My Stihl HT75 is worth its weight in gold! it extends about 12' i think and you can do alot more from the ground.
 
I started in my early 30's. I have a day gig also. I've been working with a real good climber lately. He pays good, gets me in the tree when possible. At this point I don't see myself doing 100 ft. removals that are over wires and houses. But at the same time I am not happy with my abilities yet, I'll know when I get there. As far as the Full Timers, up here there is enough work for everyone. Hook up with someone who has good and safe climbing skills. Also learn proper pruning methods. Be respectful to the people you do work for. I can't emphisize this enough. You'll get more referrals and callbacks this way. THE BEST OF LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
It didn't take long, I have 2 small jobs to go look at!! One of them is a cut up and clean up of three 40' spruce trees that were blown over in a recent storm. Being extremely "green" and a one man show do you guys feel $50.00 an hour to cut, drag and haul it all away with my pick-up is in the '"ballpark"? Any other thoughts? I appreciate your help.:) I will give an estimate for the total job..... I won't charge by the hour.

Thanks, Jeff
 
Yukon? What are you going to haul it off in? you might be better to go rent a chipper from a rental yard for a day.
I quoted on Cut/Haul 3 white oaks this morning there were about 16" DBH and
40' long i quoted at 100.00 Each. But i'll
strip them Chip them Cut into firewood
And have a fellow that sells alot of firewood Pick up the wood. They were having a pool installed and The backhoe guy pushed them over for him so there still green.
 
50 dollars an hour is fair, the trick is knowing how many hours it will take to deal with brush. You can run a tree service without a chipper/dump, it's just a royal pain in the ass. I'm doing it right now, and as soon as I get the capital to buy a chip dump set up I will. You can't do it with just a pickup though, you at least need a trailer. A sixteen to twenty foot lowboy works good, and you gotta be real methodical about stacking the brush. I find butt ends facing forward works best, cut often to get it to lay down flat, and tie the whole load down with ratchet straps. It's amazing how much brush you can stack this way, and with a little practice, it's almost as fast as feeding a chipper, Oh but GOD it's a pain! The real pain is unloading! You get a bunch of dry brittle tangly crap all compressed and mixed together and it will take some time. And if you have to go to the dump with it your pretty much at the mercy of the dump hours. I live on a farm personally I dump all my brush in the middle of my field and burn it. I lay a big choker strap down on the bottom of my flatbed and load brush ontop, that way I can hook the whole load up to my tractor and pull it off. Still a royal pain in the ass. and the brush adds up oh so fast, the time it takes to drive back and forth, and the gas money, all adds up fast too. Then you'll find that 90% of the estimates will probably be for removals, and what does that equal?, a hell of a lot of brush. I don't mean to be discouraging in the slightest, just be prepared, without a chipper/ dump, the brush is biggest obstacle to being a viable business. Even if you rent a chipper, unless they want a pile of chips blown onto their lawn, you need something to blow them into, and shoveling chips out by hand is worse than unloading brush by hand.
The key to survival in this situation, is to do quality work. If the customer wants to pay you to haul all the brush away by hand, leave their yard spotless, Don't drive on their lawns, and most of all, don't screw up their trees. Learn the difference between good prune cuts and bad prune cuts, Don't gaff up trees unless it's a removal, ( or don't let climbers you may hire gaff trees...) This type of reputation can set you apart, and people will be willing to pay a little more if you have a good reputation, which will help cover the cost of loading hauling and unloading that impossible tangle of god forsaken brush youve got attached to your pickup truck.
 
I just wanted to let you guys know I landed my first job. Wow!!! you guys were right about the learning curve of estimating. I estimated the 3 spruce blow downs (earlier in this thread) for $225.00....thought it was a pretty fair estimate....kinda just wanted to get my feet wet. The guy told me I could do the job and he pay me $300.00....apparently I had "way" under bid the job, according to his other estimates.:eek: I got a feelin' I might not be makin' much on this one. Oh well. Hopefully I will do a good job and he'll spread my name around.

Jeff
 
I've done work 'on the side' for years, and found a little mental formula that works for me. I figure 3 things-
1) my time on the jobsite to do the work (X $120 per hour for 2 men)
2) time to haul and dump debris (X $50 per hour)
3) dump fees

Typical removal might be 6 hours on-the-job = $720
Dump run is 1 1/2 hours plus $40 dump fee = $115
total price is = $835
Or rounded off to $825 or $800 if necessary. I found that $800 per day was a decent Saturday for a two man crew for side work. You'd be surprised at how much money you can spend on equipment and supplies to do this for a living. :eek:
 
I hate that when you give an estamate and the customers eyes light up and they ask how soon can you get it done. Offering to pay you more is even worse!

You want them to hem and haw, try to talk you down and reluctantly agree, that's how you know you got the most out of them, you know, like if it was one more dollar they would have said no.
 
I just gave an estimate for a removal and the lady said " Oh, wow, that's not as much as I thought." The stupid part is that I think I underestimated it. I took another look at it when I was in the neighborhood, and it's going to be harder than I thought. Oh well, it's not the first time. I don't worry too much about it though. She decided she wants me to do another tree and her brother wants me to come look at one too.
Yukon, the first spruce tree I removed I learned one thing real quick: they have a hell of a lot of branches on 'em. Not so bad if they're growing in a wooded area, I don't know where yours are. One good thing is they stack flat if you're putting them in a pickup.
 
Whats Real scary is when you know they've called in 10 other services and your the lowest bidder. You start thinking
Hmmm I must have forgot something.
 
Hey, I just wanted to re-open this thread with another post. I picked up a few more jobs since my first estimate "blow-out", and seemed to make out a little better with the estimating:D I wish I had started this 20 yrs. ago...can't seem to get enough....with all of your help with my questions and reading previous threads, I might just make this part time hobby... I mean job :D.... work!!!! Thanks again for everyones help. This is an awesome site!!!!

Jeff
 

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