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101 was right about the tired climber. last friday i made an in the tree mistake and lost a very dear friend....

i slung an oak leader a tad too butt heavy and when she popped off the cut she tore my 460mag from my grips and smashed it onto the walkway!!!! all around fresh dirt cause they redoing the lawn and it lands hard and rolls into the dirt. airfilter housing broke clean off and the saw lay in the dirt free breathing a dirt cloud. wrap handle broken off. poor bastard landed hard. such pain i felt.

had to go back to the 372 wrap. my goodness is this saw fast. and light!
 
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Lost an 044 like that about 10 years ago... I still misser too... :cry:

sucks man.

lol. second saw i've lost in tree. first one was a bucket tree early on in the game when i still greenish. made a snap cut on a biggish block of maple and got lazy with taking the saw out the kerf for the break and push. yup. pushed that chunk off and the saw went with it. i watched as they spun together towards the earth and gravity chose the saw to land first still in the kerf. that saw was smothered in wood when it landed! crushed to say the least. popeye tree. that guy was a legitimate POS anyway so i didn't sweat it too much. just the pride stung a bit is all.
 
Thats too bad OD. Almost lost 1 of my 460's this spring falling timber, tree started coming over the side (still not sure why) towards my power head, I backed up and pushed another guy out of the way, then bent down and grabbed it at the last second, and spun it out of there as the tree jumped off the stump. I felt like I saw my life flash before my eyes almost losing that saw, lol.

I haven't lost one yet, but it happens and I've been too close for comfort many times.
 
I had my old 192-T pop out of my hand, caught in a kerf, on a bucket gig, at fifty feet. I watched it hit the blacktop below, bounce up and then hit it again. That was three years ago. I'm still using that saw, believe it or not.
 
Thats too bad OD. Almost lost 1 of my 460's this spring falling timber, tree started coming over the side (still not sure why) towards my power head, I backed up and pushed another guy out of the way, then bent down and grabbed it at the last second, and spun it out of there as the tree jumped off the stump. I felt like I saw my life flash before my eyes almost losing that saw, lol.

I haven't lost one yet, but it happens and I've been too close for comfort many times.

The classic! Standing there, holding on to the pistol grip, waiting....for what seems like for ever to unfold lol.

I'd say the most common (90% or so) way of that happening is cutting from underneath the lean. Sawn off far corner, rotton holding wood, breezey, can all be, and usually do contribute to a smashed powersaw when falling under the lean side of a tree, and I mean the predominant side lean.

Not saying you personally at all Nails, but I have noticed a ton of pictures of people all over the other half of the states cutting every tree from one side, tree to your left shoulder. Yes it's easier to face with a half wrap on that side, and I think that might be where that habit comes from. Lots of people cutting from the downhill side, when the the tree leans over that way, to your left shoulder. Just an observation.

When a tree comes over on the stump it rarely goes straight over the top, unless the tree is pretty much standing straight up and has no defect. When it's leaning away from you on the side lean, and your bringing it over, the stem (Tall confiers anyway) sits down, or pulls around to a certain extent into the low side of the stump before going into the lay the holding wood tells it to. This still occurs slightly even when the corners are brought up evenly across the back cut.

Now you can see where the danger lies in falling timber under the lean. You can and should practice falling under the lean though, because at times you absolutely have to. To compensate the lean when falling underneath it, try gunning the tree the same amount of degrees to the other side as it's lean on the downhill side. Be careful and think about what happens when you start backing it up (cutter slang for back cut). Starting your backcut more towards the holding wood side (no matter where you are on the lean with your body) will make the tree begin to move quickly on the stump. You can see really tall conifers (120-160ft.+) move side to side quite radically when at a distance when a faller is beavering away on the stump. Infact, they can move side to side so much that it's hard to tell where the dang thing is gonna go when you first walk up lol. By sawing into the non-holding side first, the tree will stay steadfast for a bit longer, but may have a tendancy to sit down on that side of the stump, especially if too much wood is sawn up. I know you already prolly know all of this, but I was just sharing with others that might be curious. Don't ask me how I know LOL!

Buzzard: Sorry about your saw bro. I'll PM you a killer builder's number out here in Oregon and you can get another 460 hot rod. His saws are mean.

Be safe! - Burv
 
No matter how you look at it or want to rationalize it or comiserate about it, there is incompetence involved here and just part of maturing so it does not happen ever again. Esp. if you are the one suffering the loss (company owner).
 
The classic! Standing there, holding on to the pistol grip, waiting....for what seems like for ever to unfold lol.

I'd say the most common (90% or so) way of that happening is cutting from underneath the lean. Sawn off far corner, rotton holding wood, breezey, can all be, and usually do contribute to a smashed powersaw when falling under the lean side of a tree, and I mean the predominant side lean.

Not saying you personally at all Nails, but I have noticed a ton of pictures of people all over the other half of the states cutting every tree from one side, tree to your left shoulder. Yes it's easier to face with a half wrap on that side, and I think that might be where that habit comes from. Lots of people cutting from the downhill side, when the the tree leans over that way, to your left shoulder. Just an observation.

When a tree comes over on the stump it rarely goes straight over the top, unless the tree is pretty much standing straight up and has no defect. When it's leaning away from you on the side lean, and your bringing it over, the stem (Tall confiers anyway) sits down, or pulls around to a certain extent into the low side of the stump before going into the lay the holding wood tells it to. This still occurs slightly even when the corners are brought up evenly across the back cut.

Now you can see where the danger lies in falling timber under the lean. You can and should practice falling under the lean though, because at times you absolutely have to. To compensate the lean when falling underneath it, try gunning the tree the same amount of degrees to the other side as it's lean on the downhill side. Be careful and think about what happens when you start backing it up (cutter slang for back cut). Starting your backcut more towards the holding wood side (no matter where you are on the lean with your body) will make the tree begin to move quickly on the stump. You can see really tall conifers (120-160ft.+) move side to side quite radically when at a distance when a faller is beavering away on the stump. Infact, they can move side to side so much that it's hard to tell where the dang thing is gonna go when you first walk up lol. By sawing into the non-holding side first, the tree will stay steadfast for a bit longer, but may have a tendancy to sit down on that side of the stump, especially if too much wood is sawn up. I know you already prolly know all of this, but I was just sharing with others that might be curious. Don't ask me how I know LOL!

Buzzard: Sorry about your saw bro. I'll PM you a killer builder's number out here in Oregon and you can get another 460 hot rod. His saws are mean.

Be safe! - Burv


Word to that Burv. It was a straight woods tree with no significant lean or head weight, I got to thinking maybe a gust of wind picked up, but couldn't remember it being windy at all. I remember thinking "what the hell is going on" when it started coming over. Then I had to grab the guy standing next to me that I wasn't sure was aware of the situation.
 
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101 was right about the tired climber. last friday i made an in the tree mistake and lost a very dear friend....

i slung an oak leader a tad too butt heavy and when she popped off the cut she tore my 460mag from my grips and smashed it onto the walkway!!!! all around fresh dirt cause they redoing the lawn and it lands hard and rolls into the dirt. airfilter housing broke clean off and the saw lay in the dirt free breathing a dirt cloud. wrap handle broken off. poor bastard landed hard. such pain i felt.

had to go back to the 372 wrap. my goodness is this saw fast. and light!

Maybe you should have used a spider leg OD.. Lmfao

Glad to hear you back to a mans saw though!
 
Word to that Burv. It was a straight woods tree with no significant lean or head weight, I got to thinking maybe a gust of wind picked up, but couldn't remember it being windy at all. I remember thinking "what the hell is going on" when it started coming over. Then I had to grab the guy standing next to me that I wasn't sure was aware of the situation.

Kind of a long winded rant I guess, I just stress that side lean more than just about anything when reading timber. Was not directed at you or anyone in particular
 
Maybe you should have used a spider leg OD.. Lmfao

lol. That sucks, OD. At least it was just a saw though. I put the final nail in my 385's coffin a few weeks back too. #### happens, you learn from it.
 
lol. That sucks, OD. At least it was just a saw though. I put the final nail in my 385's coffin a few weeks back too. #### happens, you learn from it.

What happened with the 385? Too bad you werent closer, one of the screws for my dogteeth is missing, so mine is down at the moment. lol.

I lost a 262 about 12 years ago. I was blowing out the top of a sugar maple, and it got caught in the box. The main reason was because the saw was a little dull, so I was forcing it into the cut.. of course it landed in the parking lot, right next to the top. That sucked, but I learned from it, and haven't lost one since.
 
What happened with the 385? Too bad you werent closer, one of the screws for my dogteeth is missing, so mine is down at the moment. lol.

I lost a 262 about 12 years ago. I was blowing out the top of a sugar maple, and it got caught in the box. The main reason was because the saw was a little dull, so I was forcing it into the cut.. of course it landed in the parking lot, right next to the top. That sucked, but I learned from it, and haven't lost one since.

Pretty much exactly what happened to Nails on his cut. Was cutting under the side lean on a pole, she got pinched up and I held on as long as I could as the spar came over but I had to abandon her at the last minute, the log bounced and flopped right on the saw. The power head was I don't know how many years old, already had a goofed up trigger and twisted gas tank as well as having the inner dog tore out of it after a heli coil before the accident. Wasn't worth fixing after the log demolished everything else. I traded the beat up head to a guy on here for a full wrap for my new to me 395.
 
101 was right about the tired climber. last friday i made an in the tree mistake and lost a very dear friend....

i slung an oak leader a tad too butt heavy and when she popped off the cut she tore my 460mag from my grips and smashed it onto the walkway!!!! all around fresh dirt cause they redoing the lawn and it lands hard and rolls into the dirt. airfilter housing broke clean off and the saw lay in the dirt free breathing a dirt cloud. wrap handle broken off. poor bastard landed hard. such pain i felt.

had to go back to the 372 wrap. my goodness is this saw fast. and light!

Justin, too bad about the saw but glad you're ok. So your sling was a little out, but how did the log grab the saw? A straight-through cut, what?
 
A straight-through cut, what?

i was not in the best of cutting positions. i was more or less on top of the cut leaning over it.

i put a small undercut in it to avoid the tear from off the stem. when i matched the top cut to the bottom cut the heavy butt pinched up the bar into the kerf and then broke free tearing it from my hands. i held on for dear life but to no avail.


my groundie is kinda pissed though because i had handed down my 372 to him when i got that 460..... oh well for him. lol.
 
hey b. send me that number for sure. we got a couple brand new 372's at the shop and he (the owner) told me he'd pay for me to get one geeked out. i'd love to climb with a hotrod!!
 
hey b. send me that number for sure. we got a couple brand new 372's at the shop and he (the owner) told me he'd pay for me to get one geeked out. i'd love to climb with a hotrod!!

PM sent. My hot rod 660 just came....like 5 mins ago! NO ####!
 

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