Homelite Super 2 oiler

[Noel Greer]

super 2 oler

It sure looks like you have the hose hooked up direct I didn't look at the pics till now.

Ok I am lost -- What I intend to do is use the carb cleaner and clean out the line and engine of oil. Tank the tank apart with all the fitting I have which are besides the lines a pickup filter, a duck valve, and then that metal line sleeve.
I do not have the rubber nipple for the sleeve.

Take pics of all that and then see where we are here. By all post this saw needs a pressure oil tank to get oil to the bar. No pressure in the tank results in oil being sucked into the engine. Say fellows I do not want to waste your time and frustrate you because I dont understand what your trying to tell me so a couple other pictures and maybe I can see what you are telling me.

Again thanks and I'll be back.

 

[Noel Greer]

super 2 oiler

I just cant stand to wait until tommorrow so here is one last stab for tonight.
Have been looking throught another website listing all homelites and list blowups of parts. I see what you guys are talking about. Now the parts breakdown shows the same duck bill valve on the oil line as the one on the gas tank (as a vent i guess). I looked at that valve on my gas tank and compared it to the duck bill valve on the oil tank. The one on the oil line is a easy 2 to three times as big (this came on my used replacement tank)
From the parts list the connector part number is 69659B and the duck bill valve is 69451. I am going to replace all the oil lines and try to find a duck bill valve to fit this sleeve connector. Does anyone know the exact size of line to use to insure a airtight fit on the tank? If I can find the part and proper line size I'll give it a whirl. THANKS

 

[JohnL]

lines are hooked up wrong

Your lines are hooked up wrong. You have the crankcase pulse line hooked up to the oil output at the chain. That line needs to go into the oil tank instead, I believe it will be the upper hole in the tank that it goes into. It goes in only about an inch, inside the end of it that small cylinder goes, on the end of the cylinder goes the duckbill valve. You should leave about 1/32" gap of the cylinder exposed between the duckbill valve and the hose.

The oil output line from the tank should go to the oil output for the chain. The tank end of the line should have a filter/screen on it and rest near the bottom of the tank. Hope this helps, I may be able to get some pictures, I have trouble explaining things like this with words, pics are better I guess.

 

[Noel Greer]

super 2 oiler

Your lines are hooked up wrong. You have the crankcase pulse line hooked up to the oil output at the chain. That line needs to go into the oil tank instead, I believe it will be the upper hole in the tank that it goes into. It goes in only about an inch, inside the end of it that small cylinder goes, on the end of the cylinder goes the duckbill valve. You should leave about 1/32" gap of the cylinder exposed between the duckbill valve and the hose.

The oil output line from the tank should go to the oil output for the chain. The tank end of the line should have a filter/screen on it and rest near the bottom of the tank. Hope this helps, I may be able to get some pictures, I have trouble explaining things like this with words, pics are better I guess.

I understand what you said and it was a very good explanation of the lines --
and it makes sense to me. BUT the only lines that I have changed or messed with are the two lines coming from the tank. I will take a better picture in the morning and try to show the connections a little better. That line going to the bar sits below the two connections from the tank The picture 071 shows the fitting for the pulse line and just to the left of that one (not shown) is the connection for the oil line from the tank. Below these two is the line going to the bar. Be back in the morning after church with that picture.

 

[lesorubcheek]

Attached is a scan from a service manual that shows testing pressure. Hopefully you can tell from this which line hooks where.

Dan

 

[Noel Greer]

super 2 oiler

Here are the pics showing the two connections from the oil tank then below those two is the line going to the bar. Also I am showing the duck bill valves-- the black one is the one off the used tank and the red one is the one that came off the gas tank -- this size shows to be used with the sleeve.
Off the two tank connections I have the one on the right as being the pressure to the oil tank and the one on the left being incoming oil from tankView attachment 40329

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View attachment 40331.

 

[JohnL]

Noel, I may have been wrong about that connection, it may be correct after all. Some models used a daiphram oil pump in conjuction with pressurizing the oil tank. Crankcase pulse lines fed both the oil tank and the oil pump. That pulse line you show routed below the carb would feed the oil pump on the other side of the case. Another pulse line would pressurize the oil tank. The oil outlet line from the tank would supply oil to the pump. I'm guessing here, but if you look at picture DSC00081.jpg, the uppermost fitting would be the oil feed line from the tank to the pump, the next lower one is a pulse line to pressurize the tank, and the lowest one which has a line connected to it is the pulse line that actuates the oil pump.

 

[Noel Greer]

super 2 oiler

Noel, I may have been wrong about that connection, it may be correct after all. Some models used a daiphram oil pump in conjuction with pressurizing the oil tank. Crankcase pulse lines fed both the oil tank and the oil pump. That pulse line you show routed below the carb would feed the oil pump on the other side of the case. Another pulse line would pressurize the oil tank. The oil outlet line from the tank would supply oil to the pump. I'm guessing here, but if you look at picture DSC00081.jpg, the uppermost fitting would be the oil feed line from the tank to the pump, the next lower one is a pulse line to pressurize the tank, and the lowest one which has a line connected to it is the pulse line that actuates the oil pump.

the line running underneath the carb is the outlet line supplying oil to the bar I have attached another pic of this connection. Well it wont let me attach it again it is pic dsc00071.jpg. Best I can figure there is one pressure line and one oil feed line back to case. Then the aforementioned supply line to the bar

 

[Noel Greer]

suoer 2 oiler

I was cleaning the pressure line per Pest instructions and here are a few tidbits. When spraying carb cleaner into oulet had back pressure to can. So I sprayed some in the other fitting. It took the carb clearner and the flywheel moved a litlle. After that I put a tissue over one of the fittings and closed the other off. The port on the leftside blew the tissue off regardless of which way i turned the flywheel. The fitting on the right showed no movement of the tissue in these little test. Would that mean the pressure to the tank comes from the fitting on the left.

 

[Noel Greer]

super 2 oiler

I want to apologize to all of you for me being such a dumb ass. I would have bet the bank I did not reverse those lines when reinstalling the oil tank, but apparently I did. Thanks to Pest I tried cleaning the lines noticing the pressure and Dan for the illustration plus all the comments from everyone else I have oil out the bar port.

I whole heartly regret putting you guys through this but geez how can you help someone that swears he did something and it was reversed.

I THANK YOU ALL.

Noel Greer:deadhorse:

 

[JohnL]

I appologize for any confusion that I added myself, I found a pic of the duckbill that might help, it sounds like you got it figured out.

 

[lesorubcheek]

Noel,
No reason at all for apologies. Just glad that you've got your saw working as it should. Super 2's are fun saws, and after taking 'em apart a few times, its not as difficult as many people would claim.

Enjoy,
Dan

 

[ManicMechanic]

There are two lines in the oil tank -- one has the oil pickup on it the other is the short one -- that originally (i thought) had nothing on it. But the replacement tank had a duck valve and fitting on it. I put that valve on the line. Since the old tank had a hole in it that is where this sleeve might have come out of. I am thinking this sleeve fits in the short line (pressure) but would the duck valve be the same thing or am i totally lost. Now if the duck valve does replace this sleeve and nipple and I still get oil thru engine what is still wrong. Thanks I really appreciate the patience and help you are all trying to give me.

Excellent Question Is this two parts or does the duckbill vavle replace the insert,that is my question also,do you use both the sleeve and valve together?

 

[PES+]

Excellent Question Is this two parts or does the duckbill vavle replace the insert,that is my question also,do you use both the sleeve and valve together?

See your original post I answered there

 

[Noel Greer]

super two oiler

Excellent Question Is this two parts or does the duckbill vavle replace the insert,that is my question also,do you use both the sleeve and valve together?

Thanks to all the answers I got when posting my questions with my problem I think I can address your question. The little metal sleeve is indeed used with the duck valve.-- that is the only way the duck valve will attach to the pressure line. On the later super 2's the configuration is a different type but still the duck valve is used to pressure the oil tank. My problem was solved by discovering I stupidly switched the pressure line with the oil line -- once changed I was in great shape. This site is fantastic -- I learned alot about my little 2 and I owe a lot to the guys who are on this site.
So I hope this helps.

 

[ManicMechanic]

Homelite Super2 oiler

If you have lost the metal sleeve that attatches the D/B valve to the hose,Like I did,You can use pvc tubing,the kind you use to employ a mechanical oil gauge,or say air shock lines.