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Ok so one of the recent threads got me to wondering just how big of a saw head I should have? I'll mostly be cutting stumps & short, fat logs that are too short or too fat to put on my band mill. Most likely nothing over 3-4' diameter. It'll all be hardwoods. I'm partial to Stihl, so what model & bar would I be doing ok with? By ok I mean not working it too hard but not using a sledge hammer to drive a nail, either. I am totally clueless with CSM's. I'm a band guy. But i'm coming to appreciate & crave a CSM more & more with seeing all this beautiful wood I can't cut with my band.
 
Ok so one of the recent threads got me to wondering just how big of a saw head I should have? I'll mostly be cutting stumps & short, fat logs that are too short or too fat to put on my band mill. Most likely nothing over 3-4' diameter. It'll all be hardwoods. I'm partial to Stihl, so what model & bar would I be doing ok with? By ok I mean not working it too hard but not using a sledge hammer to drive a nail, either. I am totally clueless with CSM's. I'm a band guy. But i'm coming to appreciate & crave a CSM more & more with seeing all this beautiful wood I can't cut with my band.

If the logs are closer to 36" I'd go with a 90 cc saw, if they are closer to 48" I'd go bigger.
 
I run an 066 with 24, 36 and a 42" bar to cut up to 34" on a 36" Granberg CSM. At 34", it takes patience to finish a log, if you are not the patient type, you will learn. Seeing your work, I imagine you have the patience to run a set up like this, but I warn you it is not nearly as fast as a band saw... don't be disappointed on your first try. If I were cutting over 36" regularly, I'd opt for the larger saw, especially in hardwoods. A 120cc saw and mill is quite a bit to handle, and it helps to have friends around.

Just my thoughts.
 
as per usual bob l is spot on. i've run an 066 for a few years now with my csm. it's a fantastic milling saw up to around 3' just like bob said. once you go above that, you'd be wishing you had more hp. one thing that i've noticed however is that used 90cc saws are fairly common for around 500 bucks but there's not nearly as many used saws for cheap once you get over 100cc's (excluding 075s which are getting fairly old).
just some thoughts...
 
If you're going to be cutting 36" trees regularly, look at either the Stihl MS-880 or Husqvarna 3120. I have been running a Husqvarna 394 for the last several years, and occasionally used a 42" bar on it for crotch slabs, but with the bar completely buried it really worked hard, even with a modded muffler. I recently got an older Stihl 084 that I rebuilt completely with new bearings, seals, etc. The big saw ROCKS! As powerful as I thought the 94cc Husky was, I recently got to cut up a white oak over 6' in diameter with the Stihl. No milling pics unfortunately; it was cut up for turning blanks, as it was quite rotten on one side.

After using the larger Stihl, I don't think that I could ever go back to using the Husqvarna with a bar larger than 32" for milling hardwoods. Softwood would be a very different story, but I think I'm going to ditch the 42" bar I have for my husky.

The long and short of it is that you need a minimum of a 660 to run a 36" bar for milling. Stihl doesn't sell any bars larger for the 660; gotta step up to the 880 for that. If you think you're going to come across big pieces often, get the bigger saw. Yes, it is heavy, and will make you more tired than a 660 will, but after using one, the weight isn't that big of a deal.
 
Looks like a big saw is in my future, then. I have a band mill for anything under 36". It's the bigger than 36" I need a CSM for. I sure appreciate the answers, fellas.
 
hey q, do you often mill up to 36" on your bandsaw? if so, how does it perform? i ask b/c my home built mill will go up to around 26" but it seems like anything over 20" can present some issues as far as tracking and power requirements.
 
You gotta use a fresh, sharp blade on the big logs. I notice whether i'm cutting hardwood or soft, anything over 24" needs to be cut slower & a sharp blade makes all the difference. My mill has a 16hp motor, pretty small but works just fine. The clutch begins slipping if the load is too much, so bogging is never a problem. I cut some 28" rotten pine a couple months ago that I thought the mill would zip through, but it seemed as difficult as an oak or maple of the same size. That pretty much assured my suspicion that it's not the hardness of the wood or power of the engine as much as it was the force it takes to clear the debris. The gullets fill with dust that they have to drag through the cut, which causes friction. The multiple blade teeth at any given moment inside the cut collectively increase the friction drag. That means on wide logs, whether hard or soft, will put a lot of stress on the saw. Even though a stronger motor might force the blade on through without bogging, it's still a 1.25" blade & there's still the same number of teeth in the cut, so it's still being stressed.

I tossed on an old, very dry 22" dia. desert ironwood log just to see. With a fresh blade it cut just as smooth and clean as it did with a 22" box elder. The blade dulled much quicker. It dulled after 5 slabs, actually. But that's well seasoned & gritty desert ironwood :msp_scared: 12"-15" logs are much more dependent on hardness. It cuts poplars & aspens like butter where maples & oaks of the same size are slightly slower going. But once I bust 24", it doesn't matter what hardness or type the wood is. I think for bigger logs, fewer TPI would be best, like one tooth per 3 inches would cut best. I don't know because I haven't tried it yet, but i'm pretty sure. I plan to try if I can find some blades like that, maybe even modify some old blades & try it. Con of that will be needing to resharpen more often. Nice trade off if it works, though.
 
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