How Much Bar Length?

[7ShawnT]

I have a 16" bar on my 021. How much bar length is "use-able"?

I know that the whole thing cuts, but if I normally was cutting 15" - 16" logs, should I have a longer bar? (not that this saw would be a candidate for a longer blade)

I have cut 24" wood, but I just need to go on both sides, but is this safe? am I over working the saw? chain?

Shawn

 

[TDunk]

Your not over working the saw, your over working yourself. I try to have a bar long enough so i can make one cut and be done. When you have to keep switching sides, it makes for a long day.

 

[Ductape]

I have the same saw, and i'm certainly not going to recommend trying a 24" bar on it. I'd say cutting from both sides is what you will need to do....... unless of course you go out and but a 361 ! That is what i WOULD recommend. Really, you should start thinking about the three saw plan anyway.

 

[computeruser]

Regular cutting of 15-16" and larger logs would call for a larger motor, not a larger bar. You would see your greatest increase in efficiency with this sort of a setup, since you wouldn't be standing there waiting for that little saw to slowly chew through the log. As you're no doubt aware, your saw can physically accomplish the tasks currently asked of it, but it isn't a speedy process.

A saw in the 60cc range would be a nice compliment to your current machine. It could run a 16" bar for regular firewood duty and still have the capacity to run a 24" on the odd occasion when that was required.

 

[SawTroll]

Regular cutting of 15-16" and larger logs would call for a larger motor, not a larger bar. You would see your greatest increase in efficiency with this sort of a setup, since you wouldn't be standing there waiting for that little saw to slowly chew through the log. As you're no doubt aware, your saw can physically accomplish the tasks currently asked of it, but it isn't a speedy process.

A saw in the 60cc range would be a nice compliment to your current machine. It could run a 16" bar for regular firewood duty and still have the capacity to run a 24" on the odd occasion when that was required.

Well said, agree 100%......:rockn: :rockn:

 

[mjbilbo]

I also have a question on this thread.

My Homelite C5 has a 16" bar. It seems to have plenty of power to run a much longer bar. Could you put a 20" or 24" bar on this saw and have it
run correctly and efficiently? On a saw this old, what would be a good bar
to put on it?

Mike

 

[tree_beard]

homie c5 is 77cc, i would be happy running up to about 32" on that class of saw.

the bar mount pattern is, homelite 16/carlton 50/oregon FO14/GB H.


im not totally clued up about different bar mounting patterns, so i couldnt tell you specifically what bar to get, but with the pattern number/letter you should be able to find what youre after at baileys/your local saw shop.

hope that helps

 

[mjbilbo]

thanks for the info TB.

Any recommendations as to which bar to use?

 

[computeruser]

I also have a question on this thread.

My Homelite C5 has a 16" bar. It seems to have plenty of power to run a much longer bar. Could you put a 20" or 24" bar on this saw and have it
run correctly and efficiently? On a saw this old, what would be a good bar
to put on it?

Mike

20" or 24" would be a nice setup on that saw, especially with 3/8" pitch chain and an 8-tooth sprocket. It can pull, as suggested above, up to a 32" bar with good performance.

 

[ChuckinOhio]

Really, you should start thinking about the three saw plan anyway

Yeah, thats like the first step in the 12 step saw program right?


Chuck

 

[mjbilbo]

20" or 24" would be a nice setup on that saw, especially with 3/8" pitch chain and an 8-tooth sprocket. It can pull, as suggested above, up to a 32" bar with good performance.

Any brand or manufacturer a preference?

Thanks again for the info

 

[computeruser]

Any brand or manufacturer a preference?

Thanks again for the info

I'd just call Bailey's and see what they can do for you. Not sure what's available in that mount. Sprocketnose would be great if you can find it, but if not you can get by OK with a hardnose.

 

[NYH1]

I bought my 021 with a 16" b&c. Last season I put a 14" b&c on it. I like the 14" a lot better. I use the saw for really small wood, but the shorter b&c made a noticeable difference.

 

[rreidnauer]

Hmmmm, I just discovered this for myself, but it's quite possible someone else has long ago figured this out, but . . .

A fairly good way to choose a size for your bar is, the cubic centimeters of the engine is the length in centimeters for the bar.

Opinions?

 

[mjbilbo]

that seems reasonable. The C5 is a 77 cc.

At about 30 cm per foot. 77 divided by 30 is 2.56

2.56 x 12 is about a 30" bar that this saw will pull adequately.

So a 20" to 25" bar shouldn't be a big problem.

 

[Eccentric]

I also have a question on this thread.

My Homelite C5 has a 16" bar. It seems to have plenty of power to run a much longer bar. Could you put a 20" or 24" bar on this saw and have it
run correctly and efficiently? On a saw this old, what would be a good bar
to put on it?

Mike

I have a tall OLD hardnose 25" bar with full comp .404 semi chissel chain on my C5. It pulls it just fine with a 7-tooth rim sprocket. It doesn't set the world afire with chain speed, but it does move the wood. A 20-22" bar would be a little more handly for general use. With a 16" bar it could easily pull 3/8 8-tooth or .404 8-tooth. I may be getting an NOS 21" sprocket nose .404 bar for this saw soon if the seller and I can make a deal. I'm going to run .404 chain with an 8-tooth rim on it.

As to what brand/type of bar you should get...the problem lies in that the C-Series saw (and the "C+" saws including XP1000/1100G/1050/1130G/2000/2100/3100G saws plus the OLD beasts that share the #16 bar pattern such as the Wiz family, Zips, Original EZ, 7-19, 7-29,600D, 700D, etc...) bar pattern is 'obsolete' now. While Oregon, GB, Windsor, Cannon, and basicaly every other bar manufacturer once made bars for them, they no longer do. We're now forced to scrounge used and NOS bars. Oregon also used to make air filters and rim/drum sprocket setups for these saws too (I'm lucky enough to have an Oregon rim/drum setup for my C5). There's a 17" and a 21" bar on fleabay now IIRC.

I have read that an XL12series/XL900series/330/350/360/450/550/650/750 family bar (#14 on Acres site) will work on these saws if you change the bar adjuster nut to the XL12 style. I haven't found this to be the case however. In my experience the bar will physicaly bolt on (after doing the necessary mods) but there is unacceptable misalignment of the oiler passage. This is too bad as these bars are still being manufactured. Certain Pioneer, Solo and Echo saws also use the #14 pattern.

 

[7ShawnT]

Yep

Hmmmm, I just discovered this for myself, but it's quite possible someone else has long ago figured this out, but . . .

A fairly good way to choose a size for your bar is, the cubic centimeters of the engine is the length in centimeters for the bar.

Opinions?

Hmmmm . . .

My 021 can have either 12", 14", or 16", I just got a new 16" to replace my old trashed one, it states it is 40cm. the 021 is a 35cc saw, so I'm on the outskirts of the range!

Shawn

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[SawTroll]

I bought my 021 with a 16" b&c. Last season I put a 14" b&c on it. I like the 14" a lot better. I use the saw for really small wood, but the shorter b&c made a noticeable difference.

The 021 is a quite anemic saw, the shorter the bar, the better...........:taped: