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I know many of you stuck your neck out going down south. I am curious of how it went for you. Let us know what went good and of course what went bad. If you had to do it over again what would you do differently? I think it would help everyone to know what to expect if it ever happened again.
 
Our company is based 50 miles from the southern most point in the USA. We stayed here. After what, 4 major hurricanes last year, what I saw come south were tree companies that were doing clean up work, not tree work. Clean up, in the sense that they were hauling the debris that people were allowed to put curbside and have picked up for free, by the "tree companies" employed by FEMA, more of a trash hauling service for the government. That said, we were so glad they were here. This county needed help and it was cool to see so many tree people in town. ( That was early in the season )

The folks that showed up here to help after Wilma, which was after Katrina, said the government red tape in LA only let them work maybe 2 days a week. The "work zones" had been deemed a health hazard, and probably rightly so. That can't keep a business that is chasing storms in business though.

Someone like Pantheraba, that goes into a disaster zone and works for the people affected, my hat is off to him. He is working for the person with the tree on his house and does it because he can. God bless him.
 
Darin said:
I know many of you stuck your neck out going down south. I am curious of how it went for you. Let us know what went good and of course what went bad. If you had to do it over again what would you do differently? I think it would help everyone to know what to expect if it ever happened again.

what i don't like is you have to compete with every yahoo who runs to Home Depot and buys a chainsaw. they fight over prices and annoy the residents. then you have every freakin' Lawn business guy turn into a tree guy overnight worsening the situation. it kills the market.
 
treeminator said:
what i don't like is you have to compete with every yahoo who runs to Home Depot and buys a chainsaw. they fight over prices and annoy the residents. then you have every freakin' Lawn business guy turn into a tree guy overnight worsening the situation. it kills the market.

Are you seriously considering a natural disaster area a "Market?" I say kudos to anyone that went out and got a chainsaw to help, wether it be to get paid or not.

On another note...do you really need a "tree guy" to cut up downed material laying in the street?
 
treeminator said:
what i don't like is you have to compete with every yahoo who runs to Home Depot and buys a chainsaw. they fight over prices and annoy the residents. then you have every freakin' Lawn business guy turn into a tree guy overnight worsening the situation. it kills the market.



You mean guys like you!
 
CaseyForrest said:
Are you seriously considering a natural disaster area a "Market?" I say kudos to anyone that went out and got a chainsaw to help, wether it be to get paid or not.

On another note...do you really need a "tree guy" to cut up downed material laying in the street?

Amen! Several of the "Tree Guys" that came down for Katrina just grabbed all the insurance money they could get and then disappeared leaving the job half done. In Tchefuncta Estates (Covington) residents were being charged $15,000 to clean up a 3/4 acre lot and none of the trees were on the house. That was work that was taking me about 2 days with a volunteer crew of 3 and a 3130 Kubota. Thank God for the volunteers. We had people come from as far away as California, New York, and New Jersey, at their own expense, to help.

For instance, an elderly retired couple on fixed income just North of Covington paid out their $15,000 insurance settlement to a storm chasing "Certified Arborist". He removed 1 tree from a corner of the house and another from the shop and took down a couple of leaners in a couple of days, leaving most of the wood on the ground. And then he had their $15,000, and he left. I came in a couple of weeks later with a tractor and a volunteer and spent 2 days cleaning up his mess and removing the other dangerous hangers and debris. The residents had spent all their money. They couldn't hire another "Arborist".

A "Stump Grinder" from up North wanted to charge a 101 year old widow lady who's total yearly gross income is $12,000 --- $475 for ONE 36 inch uprooted pine stump (I had already removed the fallen tree from across her driveway, with the help of 2 volunteers, for free). I told her to be patient and wait until the storm chasers were gone and the locals had time to catch up. We had the stump ground last week for $150 (which was still too much). I had a similar stump ground this week for $60.


I don't want to generalize. Many of the people who came down to help for pay were concientious and did good work. I understand that a person who leaves his home, family, and business to come down, and has to pay for motels or camping, meals, scarce fuel, and put up with all the nuisance and hazards of a storm ravaged area, is entitled to make a reasonable profit. But it wasn't the volunteers and enterprising homeowners and locals who spoiled the pie. It wasn't the legitimate businessmen, whether from North or South. It was the carpetbaggers, skalawags, and maybe a few trolls.
 
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One thing that I saw down here, that maybe someone can explain, is that the some of the contractors would drive down the road and just take a bite off the top of each pile instead of taking the whole pile. What good is that? The FEMA lady was following them and let this nonsense go on too.

That said, we did have some contractors in our neighborhood that did a great job. They were actually tree guys, but it is true that this cleanup work has very little to do with tree care. People with contracts never raised a chainsaw that I could see because it payed better to pick up the light stuff. They pay by the yard, not by the ton, so no sense on stressing yourself out cutting up and picking up stumps when you can just drive on and pick up the brush 10 yds away.
 
LightningLoader said:
..... contractors would drive down the road and just take a bite off the top of each pile instead of taking the whole pile. What good is that? The FEMA lady was following them and let this nonsense go on too.

.....They pay by the yard, not by the ton, so no sense on stressing yourself out cutting up and picking up stumps when you can just drive on and pick up the brush 10 yds away.


Isn't it great? Yeah, I really want this same government running the medical system, too! That will be just fabulous! :rolleyes:
 
my days in biloxi

I drove down there from Seattle in a 4-runner loaded with saws and climbing gear three months after Katrina with hopes of accomplishing mostly volunteer work and hoping to nearly cover my costs for me, groundie and dog. It was definitely an adventure. I would surely do it again. First lodging we found near New Orleans was Mobile, Alabama. Most of the neighborhoods still in need of hazardous removals were largely vacant altogether. Those people had bigger problems. Red Cross was a joke in terms of facilitating volunteers-to-need. Painted in sweat and sawdust, Salvation Army still tried to send me away from their free meal line because they thought I might be a free meal looter, not a working volunteer, I guess. HANDS ON USA, currently stationed in Biloxi still I think, is where we ended up and their organization was OUTSTANDING. They focused on the area where the eye went through, the hard hit areas of Gulfport/Biloxi/Waverland. I checked in that late morning and by lunchtime I was in the saddle. They had indoor and outdoor camping and showers, wifi in the tent:), well organized and completely free volunteer run meals, lots of saws and tools and tractors and vehicles. It seemed that every resource was used to its potential (hats off to David) we just left a powerstroke of progress at the end of the day...every day. Like 40 volunteers would just converge on a demolished park and have it sparkling clean at the end of the day! My jobs were no simple clean ups but hairy removals of trees from houses or ones about to fall on houses. Mostly the residence had already been fully gutted and remodelled to rid the house of deadly mold and the people moved back in. Hands On volunteers had mold crews who did nothing but demo and mold treatment allll day. Although there were alot of saws running in the area there weren't many arborists around ... it was Christmas time. I encourage others to do this kind of thing if the need arises. Our skills are specialized and in great demand when that many trees go down somewhere. Whether for money or not, make your dent if you have the chance. I hear all these extreme stories of people making a fortune and people losing their ass it's not such a bad deal to take a paid vacation in exchange for breathing some saw fumes while taking good care of these strangers as you would your next door neighbor.

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Good Post.

That was a well put post on La. It was a crazy in Covington. Last I heard the Army Core of Engineers was paying for all the hazardous tree to be removed. I would go again. I would try and plan better though.
 
I just want to say thanks for helping with the clean up here in Covington. I hope next season will not be a repeat. I also commend the homeowners that cleared the roads, helped neighbors and the like. Katrina brought things in people that I never knew they had. I have heard plenty of horror stories from people who got ripped off by so called tree companies. My neighbor fell victim to some guys. I was just too busy to get around to it right away and didn't see any threat until the next hurricane. They left some stumps over 4ft. tall, ran through MY yard and fence with a track hoe, caused and left several leaners and atleast 20 widow makers, removed at least 3 trees unecessarily, 8 trees total for a bargain price of $8800. I don't cut trees to get rich. I try to cover my costs and be an actual help to those in real need.
 
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