Just how much can the (GRCS) Lift???

[JTinaTree]

The reduction gear is 12:1, the lever of the handles adds the further MA to get the 44:1.

If you do a lot of removals, the visor is a very good investment. If you have a high torque drill and do a lot of city work, then the drill adaptor is very handy for lifting long limbs and forwarding brush up slopes.

I know some people who have brokes winches under extream loads. Many here will remember Frans and Jerry doing comp's on GRCS vs. the Hobbs.

Think of the 2000# as the WLL for dynamic forces when blocking big wood out. Know the fall factor of the load, or the cycles to failure will get you after a wile.

Everyone who has used it has picked out much heavier loads.

As you work with it you learn to use different ropes, high streach for dynamic loads, low streach for gentle picks.

Backing up a rig point is allways a good idea, one way you can do this is to use several blocks in the tree so you are distibuting the load between stems.

I wondered how they got the 44:1 in some of the ads for the GRCS.. So they fiqured in the length of the handle. The newer winches are supposed to have a rough surface for the drum to keep the rope from slipping. And Sherrills claims the new winch also has more power in there 06 catolog, I would like to know if they went with a different model Harken for 06/07? Anyway can't wait to buy one and see for myself it's capabilities.

 

[coydog]

i have 3 of these and would not give up for any reason i sleep with this thing lol

you own 3 grcs?

 

[JTinaTree]

you own 3 grcs?

I thought the same thing that's almost 10 grand in grcs's. We know who is making the money on this site..

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

The newer winches are supposed to have a rough surface for the drum to keep the rope from slipping.

I wonder what that does to ropes when you let them run...

 

[JTinaTree]

I wonder what that does to ropes when you let them run...

Don't know exactly how rough the surface is maybe just cross hatched with a fine grit.. May be someone who has bought one recently will chime in and show us??

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

It's just a coarser dimpling then the older drums have.

My understanding of the MA of the newer modles is that it has a bigger drum and gear set.

 

[ozy365]

the texture is barely enough to take the shine out of the drum. The ropes don't slip on it so I don't think it will eat your rope too bad. The wear and tear on the rope is in the lift.

Butt tie the piece you are liting above the hinge back to the tree to a porty and cut the hinge a little more. Pulling through the hinge is usually more work on the winch than the actual weight seems to be. Butt tying limits the surprise of a hinge failing during the lift. If you louse up the tip tie too close to the center of gravity on the limb, the porty tie in keeps the but out off your face.

Watch the lift you put on the limb...I've had a couple pieces jump up as the hinge is released and the spar returns to upright. One raised almost 18 inches.

Buy better biners and slings.

 

[(WLL)]

10 grand

I thought the same thing that's almost 10 grand in grcs's. We know who is making the money on this site..

not even close. i do not own a real grcs the one i use is hand made the most expensive part is the winch and they run between $500-$1800. the 1 i use was a little over $600. the handle is the next expensive piece. i use a long craftsman ratchet with some slight mods it was less than $60 and works with all 3 grcs's i have. i dont like 2 use the other 2 because im worried about failure being they came used from e-bay and they have more play then my new winch. i use self tailing harkens and it has the grips on the spool. they are very smooth dimples and they dont harm the rope much at all if any. i have made some changes on the bollard every time i make another grcs. changes i have made are a guide pin and 2 L shaped pins to keep the rope on the bollard.on the first one i did not use a guide pin and used a different way 2 keep the rope on the bollard and could not work on either side 2 run the ropes. i also only used one binder strap and welded the ratchet part to the frame so when it took a hit it got bent and i had 2 cut off . another change i made was the binders the(2) straps can now be taken completely off. my bollard is not removable like on the origanl grcs.on the last 1 i have had made the frame rails have bin cut like teeth and do major damage to the trunk so it only gets used only 4 removals. the next one i get made i wont do that to help save the trees for pruning:jawdrop: well major pruning anyway. this tool is not needed ((most of the time)) 4 dead wood.

 

[JTinaTree]

I will buy the real thing

I don't think I want to make my own GRCS Mr. Good spent countless hours testing and perfecting the GRCS so I will take his word on it. I can't blame people for trying to save a buck. But I will take the real thing and be just as proud to use it. That's my 2 cents anyway..

 

[ddhlakebound]

I don't think I want to make my own GRCS Mr. Good spent countless hours testing and perfecting the GRCS so I will take his word on it. I can't blame people for trying to save a buck. But I will take the real thing and be just as proud to use it. That's my 2 cents anyway..

Me too....and when you think about the combined costs WLL has paid to build 3 knock off GRCS's (one of which he's sorta happy with), its probably cheaper to buy the real one anyway. I daresay the real one is more efficient and safer too.

Also, in the event of an accident, or even worse, an injury accident involving his homemade GRCS,(unless I'm mistaken) not only will his insurance not cover him, but he'll have no one with liability coverage for the device he was using. Sure....he could sue the welder......but...........what's he gonna get?

 

[JTinaTree]

Me too....and when you think about the combined costs WLL has paid to build 3 knock off GRCS's (one of which he's sorta happy with), its probably cheaper to buy the real one anyway. I daresay the real one is more efficient and safer too.

Also, in the event of an accident, or even worse, an injury accident involving his homemade GRCS,(unless I'm mistaken) not only will his insurance not cover him, but he'll have no one with liability coverage for the device he was using. Sure....he could sue the welder......but...........what's he gonna get?[/

RIGHT ON BROTHA!!!:

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

I think it is good to support the individuals that are promoting advancement of tools in this industry by buying the original tools.
That said, it is the nature of patenting something that can easily be reproduced, that it will be copied.
The heart and soul of a GRCS is the winch, which is just a sailboat winch. All Greg did was mount it to a plate that straps to a tree.

 

[JayD]

Me too....and when you think about the combined costs WLL has paid to build 3 knock off GRCS's (one of which he's sorta happy with), its probably cheaper to buy the real one anyway. I daresay the real one is more efficient and safer too.

Also, in the event of an accident, or even worse, an injury accident involving his homemade GRCS,(unless I'm mistaken) not only will his insurance not cover him, but he'll have no one with liability coverage for the device he was using. Sure....he could sue the welder......but...........what's he gonna get?

This is why if you are going to do this you need to know what your doing..at least if you copy it the engineering is done for you...but what about the heart and soul of this device..apart from a correctly mounted winch...the welding, and correct procedure, this device would have a proper weld,fabrication procedure as well and if not followed well it doesn't matter how good it looks it's deemed a second..or a bina as long as folk can buy the material they will always copy things especially if they save a buck, me if the sweat isn't worth the saving I just go out and buy the produced product.Safety has got to come first.

How much will this devices lift? it should be stated on the product,
the only way to test the actuall fail piont is to load it up untill it fails,but sometimes there's a number of miner failers that are unseen which leads to catastrophe...which bring about the question how long should we use this tool before getting checked out for fractures fatigue

 

[northernmover]

I'm all for fabricating tools, many of the best "engineers" I know are guys with no formal education and a lot of welding skills. That being said, I have never understood why anyone would fabricate their own grcs or a port a wrap and put these tools into a situation where failure could be deadly. Cheers to you guys that will do this, but it's not worth the money saved for me!

 

[(WLL)]

I think it is good to support the individuals that are promoting advancement of tools in this industry by buying the original tools.
That said, it is the nature of patenting something that can easily be reproduced, that it will be copied.
The heart and soul of a GRCS is the winch, which is just a sailboat winch. All Greg did was mount it to a plate that straps to a tree.

with all the costs 2 put a patent on a devise such as the grcs the original inventor could not afford 2 do so. with that being said the man/thief that had the money really stole this design from the poor tree climbing inventor who was cut out of all profits in the process and is still poor and hard working to this day. so the rich get richer and the poor keep working. i have seen this so called knock off being used in the late 90's by which whom i believe 2 be the original inventor. he was born and raised in pa and is a contract climber traveling allover the country. i wont mention any names but the 2 men im talking about know what im saying so the truth is the real grcs in the catalogs u c and buy are the real knockoffs.

 

[Grace Tree]

That's a pretty serious accusation that reflects badly on the integrity of the maker of the GRCS. You may have good reason to believe what you've heard but I'd like to suggest to you that with most inventions or improvements in technology there is usually parallel development by a number of people. The patent belongs to the guy who developes it and obtains a patent. 'Doesn't mean he stole it.
Phil

 

[(WLL)]

That's a pretty serious accusation that reflects badly on the integrity of the maker of the GRCS. You may have good reason to believe what you've heard but I'd like to suggest to you that with most inventions or improvements in technology there is usually parallel development by a number of people. The patent belongs to the guy who developes it and obtains a patent. 'Doesn't mean he stole it.
Phil

just because he could afford 2 patent another mans idea doesn't mean he developed it but it does mean he stole the idea if he gives no credit to the original inventor. this happens everyday in the real world. the rich get richer and the poor keep working.
the patent belongs to the man that can aford the patent,wich is usualy not the maker or the inventer.

 

[FanOFatherNash]

That's a pretty serious accusation that reflects badly on the integrity of the maker of the GRCS. You may have good reason to believe what you've heard but I'd like to suggest to you that with most inventions or improvements in technology there is usually parallel development by a number of people. The patent belongs to the guy who developes it and obtains a patent. 'Doesn't mean he stole it.
Phil

As with many other important technological devices, several people often worked on and independently created the same, or similar devices in the same general time period

example its been suggested that both Antonio Meucci and then Elisha Gray invented telephones before Alexander Graham Bell

Ironically in 2001 the United States Congress passed a 'resolution' stating that given all the facts of the patent disputes between Gray and Bell, under no terms could Alexander Graham Bell have been awarded the patent for the telephone by the United States Patent and Trademark Office in 1876

There is nothing new under the sun...

 

[prana360]

I sure am glad to see "banned" under (WLL)'s name. As someone who has spoken and spent some time with Mr Good I feel I can say that this man is doing great things for our profession and trust me hes not out there getting rich. Gregg works hard has a small professional crew and is a very standup guy. Just my two cents. FWIW

One more thing, I am ordering a GRCS as soon as possible. I've used them with other companies and can't wait to get mine!

 

[jg55056]

We have a hobbs, but I would prefer the grcs. More often than not we just use the mt 52, the top notch grapple, and a pulley at the bottom of the tree. It's a lot faster and less work.