Man I hated that Jimmy Smith guy. And now I find he died of cancer and left his kid alone. Freaking hilarious eh? And hey broadcast TV is as public as it gets. Lets kick some more people while their down.
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Man I hated that Jimmy Smith guy. And now I find he died of cancer and left his kid alone. Freaking hilarious eh? And hey broadcast TV is as public as it gets. Lets kick some more people while their down.
No. Two wrongs never make a right.
Solid point. I don't think anybody's being malicious, though -- at least, I know I'm not -- but instead are collectively reinforcing group values regarding safety and conduct through de-bunking a bad example. This is a real way that people learn things. Remember the old "Goofus And Gallant" comics in Highlights Magazine?
indiansprings
Firewood Purveyor
Guys like that need neutered, so the genes aren't passed on, I can see a lawyer using this as exhibit A when some newbie cuts his face off or kills himself using this video as a guide
I do remember G & G in Highlights. They were cartoon characters. Not a real man.
I missed the HBRN saga and I didn't know this was HBRN. There is a fine line between poking fun using sarcasm and beating someone up; if I crossed that line, I apologize to you and to whoever the star of the videos is.
There was no sarcasm in my closing statements. I don't want to see the guy get hurt. And some of his videos are fun. Other than the chainsaw sharpening video, they are more "watch me" than "here's how you do it." The ones I noted in my post reminded me of my own shortcomings - waiting too long to attend to a dead tree, driving wedges with a hammer and bottoming the hammer out on the bark, showing off an old saw that won't crank for you, being distracted and thus struggling with a small limb, walking away from a tree as too dangerous that many here would say was a piece of cake, etc.
I suspect whoever he is, he may enjoy AS as he seems to have many common interests - old saws and a cool old truck. Ron
I didn't know the whole story behind HBRN. I learned it in Montaaaanaaa. I will make no public comments on it.
farmboss45
ArboristSite Operative
WOW, should title that one, "How not to buck firewood" Talk about no respect for what a saw can do to you, and no ppe in sight......:bang:
paccity
Addicted to ArboristSite
well my take on this is that no matter how nice the feller is his advice and methods are not sound. and when he is called on it he get's hostile .i've seen it on other site's also. i know folks that are the nicest people you'll ever meet,but i would not take advice from them seriously. that said bs is bs. most every ones comments to scotty have not been malicious and only became over the top when he took it to that level. i wished he would have made it to terry's this fall so i could have met him. the other thing is i can't be leave that a peein match is starting over him. it is what it is. and in my book whether or not someone has a certain problem or not is no excuse for someones attitude. thank you for reading my morning rant. fraser.:msp_smile:
There is one member here with alot of worldly quote like this one from the other day
"There is no sane reason to buy a MS290..."
ReggieT
Addicted to ArboristSite
Wow...that kinda translates into Stihl earning the bulk of their revenue off the INSANE!:jawdrop:
Not to prolong a HBRN discussion, but I took it from post 21 that the guy in the video(s) is someone else. I made my decent guy comment because the guy seemed to be such in the handful of videos I watched yesterday; it wasn't meant to be an endorsement of his methods nor ruffle feathers here.
Nonetheless, I agree that criticism is in order from time to time, even though it can be harsh. I recall a certain fellow from the south talking of "loggers" who don't use face cuts only sloping back cuts. He got roughed up quite a bit. I stayed out of it although I have seen patches of small pines that appear to have been logged (probably cut for pulp) just like he described. The discussions got hot, but he later realized what he was advocating was wrong and dangerous. There's a post around here somewhere where he expresses thanks for the lesson. Some of us (self included) require a busting every now and then before we see (or admit) the error of our ways. Ron
I think the main thing people had against HBRN was the fact that he was a liar...and not a very good one at that.
They weren't the kind of lies that could be considered yarns or tall tales told for entertainment either. They were just flat out lies.
He showed up here claiming to be...at different times...a pro timber faller, a medic, a fireman, the foreman of a logging crew, the owner of a logging company, a tree service worker, partially disabled, totally disabled, a hazard tree specialist and probably a few more that I've forgotten.
As time went on it became very obvious that he wasn't really any of the things he claimed to be. At first we just kidded with him and tried to get him pointed in the right direction. He didn't go along with that at all and he became extremely belligerent when his lies were exposed. He wouldn't change his story. He wouldn't change any of his stories. He held fast to whatever claims he was making, even in the face of incontrovertible proof that he was making things up out of his imagination.
That wasn't the worst thing, though. We get posers on here occasionally, not quite at the same level of imagined accomplishments as HBRN, but posers nonetheless. They usually don't last long once they realize how much legitimate logging knowledge is represented here. It happens, we deal with it.
The worst thing, the thing that finally turned most of us against him, was when he began offering advice to other members. He usually just parroted something someone else had said but occasionally he'd come up with something of his own. His advice to others wasn't rooted in any kind of real world experience and it was often dangerous. It was often extremely dangerous.
Maybe you'll see that our ganging up on him wasn't done out of meanness. We just needed to get him out of here before he hurt somebody. I really don't think he intended any harm or realized what a hazard he was. And he wouldn't listen when we told him. That's the scary part.
They weren't the kind of lies that could be considered yarns or tall tales told for entertainment either. They were just flat out lies.
He showed up here claiming to be...at different times...a pro timber faller, a medic, a fireman, the foreman of a logging crew, the owner of a logging company, a tree service worker, partially disabled, totally disabled, a hazard tree specialist and probably a few more that I've forgotten.
As time went on it became very obvious that he wasn't really any of the things he claimed to be. At first we just kidded with him and tried to get him pointed in the right direction. He didn't go along with that at all and he became extremely belligerent when his lies were exposed. He wouldn't change his story. He wouldn't change any of his stories. He held fast to whatever claims he was making, even in the face of incontrovertible proof that he was making things up out of his imagination.
That wasn't the worst thing, though. We get posers on here occasionally, not quite at the same level of imagined accomplishments as HBRN, but posers nonetheless. They usually don't last long once they realize how much legitimate logging knowledge is represented here. It happens, we deal with it.
The worst thing, the thing that finally turned most of us against him, was when he began offering advice to other members. He usually just parroted something someone else had said but occasionally he'd come up with something of his own. His advice to others wasn't rooted in any kind of real world experience and it was often dangerous. It was often extremely dangerous.
Maybe you'll see that our ganging up on him wasn't done out of meanness. We just needed to get him out of here before he hurt somebody. I really don't think he intended any harm or realized what a hazard he was. And he wouldn't listen when we told him. That's the scary part.
Yep HBRN was a poser. I called him out after just a few posts and it got me infracted. A big red one by Mrs Arboristsite. Harassing Another Member. I have been more careful since then.
Several members have worked in the area HBRN is from and asked for names of his employers. He never gave any. He never took advice, only gave it out. What bugged me the most was his use of the sloping (slopping) backcut. There are times when no face cut is OK. Times when falling a tree into a river is OK. But never is there any time when the sloping backcut, aka the farmer backcut, is proper technique
Several members have worked in the area HBRN is from and asked for names of his employers. He never gave any. He never took advice, only gave it out. What bugged me the most was his use of the sloping (slopping) backcut. There are times when no face cut is OK. Times when falling a tree into a river is OK. But never is there any time when the sloping backcut, aka the farmer backcut, is proper technique
paccity
Addicted to ArboristSite
yup, but some of it was damn entertaining.
Trx250r180
Saw polisher
is he a permanent ban ? or just banned camp ?
Repeated permaban under several alternate usernames. His major sin was coming back for more, and more, and more. Would doubtless have been long forgiven had he just clammed up and minded his manners.
Yup. We could un-ban him but I don't see that anything would change if we did.
Log slayer
ArboristSite Operative
Wow!!! I don't have words for that video.
sgt7546
ArboristSite Operative
Folks like that usually make for colorful obituaries. Just saying.
Troy G
ArboristSite Operative
That guy is the ****, I'll bet chicks are lining up to have his babies.
