LCTT in my front yard

[booboo]

As I type, Lewis is cutting in my front yard. I'm not too thrilled since I'm going to loose a good chunk of the screen between the house and the road. There are/were a bunch of tag alders below the lines and the tallest clumps are just below the secondary. Another clump is grown right up to the base of a transformer. I spoke to the foreman and asked for a "light trim" as much as possible but we'll see what's left when they're done. They did seem pretty cool about going easy on our stuff though. I've sort been dreading this day for several years because our neighborhood was way overdue in the trimming cycle and they've been hitting it pretty hard.

 

[clearance]

Are you crying about it or what? What is your problem:censored: :censored: , scummy alders should be cut down, under the lines, around the transformer? C'mon now, how about you go and pick up some beer for those utility guys. It makes me puke, people who whine and snivell about trimming and hazard tree removal but then when the powers goes out 'cause some p.o.s. they cherished rips the lines down, they whine 'cause thier powers out.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

how do you really feel...............

Are you crying about it or what? What is your problem:censored: :censored: , scummy alders should be cut down, under the lines, around the transformer? C'mon now, how about you go and pick up some beer for those utility guys. It makes me puke, people who whine and snivell about trimming and hazard tree removal but then when the powers goes out 'cause some p.o.s. they cherished rips the lines down, they whine 'cause thier powers out.

It is always good to try to talk to the guys doing the work, and as clearance pointed out a little bribe might help you get the result you want.

Lighten up clearance

 

[Thillmaine]

give it a rest clearance, lighten up you angry ????

 

[tawilson]

I detected no crying, whining or sniveling in the first post. The second post is another matter.

 

[diltree]

Clearance is projecting the frustrations of dealing with the many ???????s that flip out when you trim their tree's. Still this guy has a right to be upset about losing his privacy...as long as he treated the crew with respect he deserves the same respect in return. Line Clearance is one of those necessary evils, people need to learn to except.

 

[Gumneck]

BOLD MOVE....

I'm with Clearance. In fact, I say take it down to the ground so no one has to look at the giant Y shaped trees and those guys dont have to risk their lives just so folks can watch another episode of the "Love Boat".

2 more post and I'll break 500. I gotta get out more.

 

[treeseer]

I say take it down to the ground so no one has to look at the giant Y shaped trees and those guys dont have to risk their lives just so folks can watch another episode of the "Love Boat".... I gotta get out more.

Yes, you do. Tag alder Alnus serrulata sounds like the perfect tree to have under the lines, rarely gets over 20' and tolerates reduction. Even if they look bad when the crew is done, they will come back.

I agree to respect the workers; I was one for a few years.

I also agree to respect the homeowner, especially when they say stuff like "They did seem pretty cool about going easy on our stuff though.", they should hear no braying.

 

[Climb020]

You should concider yourself lucky that you where even able to speak with the guys doing it. Most of what I see anymore is mexicans pruning the lines. But I really shouldn't use pruning being that they must do there work with there eyes close.

But I have to agree with the earlier post. Cut them down. Actually cut all the trees down near service wires or bury the wires underground like they do in some areas. Figure that way it will give clearance a new thing to complain about.

 

[treeseer]

give clearance a new thing to complain about.

"By gum what in tarnation are those fools doing, pruning those alders with pole pruners? Put the sissy toys away boys and I'll show you how we spike those 6" stems in the bush...yeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!":jawdrop:

Orrrr sumthin like that.

 

[booboo]

Not trying to start trouble here, just thought it was kind of ironic that they showed up while I was reading this site.

BTW, while I'm new to the site in terms of posting, I've been reading it for a while. I'm also not a total moron, though I'm sure some will disagree. I climbed daily for 5 years, then ran a bucket for another 5, including several for a large company with orange trucks that does, yes, line clearance. I also hold a BS in Urban Forestry, and was both a Mass Cert. Arborist (MCA) and and ISA CA, though both certifications lapsed when I got out of the business for 10 years.

This was not a dig at line clearance. I hate "through trims" as much as anyone else. However, these were alders, and as was pointed out, they don't generally interfere with the lines, plus they do make a nice screen in the wooded area between my house and the road. Also, like I said, several clumps were almost up to the secondaries and a transformer and I knew they would have to go. The utility company was way behind in their trimming cycle and we lost power for 5 days during a storm last February, partly because trees that should have been dealt with years ago were not. No whining here, it is what it is.

The trimming crew today did a decent job, they left more than they could have and the clumps that were taken to the ground will regenerate. I'd rather see that than have then topped out.

Finally, I think every tree company should hire day laborers and run Craftsman saws...

Just kidding. :biggrinbounce2:

 

[clearance]

Not trying to start trouble here, just thought it was kind of ironic that they showed up while I was reading this site.

BTW, while I'm new to the site in terms of posting, I've been reading it for a while. I'm also not a total moron, though I'm sure some will disagree. I climbed daily for 5 years, then ran a bucket for another 5, including several for a large company with orange trucks that does, yes, line clearance. I also hold a BS in Urban Forestry, and was both a Mass Cert. Arborist (MCA) and and ISA CA, though both certifications lapsed when I got out of the business for 10 years.

This was not a dig at line clearance. I hate "through trims" as much as anyone else. However, these were alders, and as was pointed out, they don't generally interfere with the lines, plus they do make a nice screen in the wooded area between my house and the road. Also, like I said, several clumps were almost up to the secondaries and a transformer and I knew they would have to go. The utility company was way behind in their trimming cycle and we lost power for 5 days during a storm last February, partly because trees that should have been dealt with years ago were not. No whining here, it is what it is.

The trimming crew today did a decent job, they left more than they could have and the clumps that were taken to the ground will regenerate. I'd rather see that than have then topped out.

Finally, I think every tree company should hire day laborers and run Craftsman saws...

Just kidding. :biggrinbounce2:

Thanks for clearing that up, you worked for Asplundh, you know exactly where I'm coming from. Treeseer, you got spanked on that lame "safest way to climb" poll, you reported me to whoever for saying spurs are safest, now you are making fun of me here, and how do you know what kind of alders they are?, maybe they are alnus rubra. There was a nasty storm here, all those treehuggers that make life hard for utility guys were without power (along with all the good people). Even the mouthpiece PR lady for the power co. said that a benefit of this storm and massive powerline damage will be that people will be more understanding when trees get pruned or removed. She said it best "we get extreme opposition when we go to remove some trees". Pefect, give thanks to the treeguys and the linemen that keep your power on, letting you spout off as you do.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

After years of spiking, stripping, topping, driving on the root zones, and other utility abuse, the trees are falling down on power lines?
Weird.opcorn:

 

[beowulf343]

After years of spiking, stripping, topping, driving on the root zones, and other utility abuse, the trees are falling down on power lines?
Weird.opcorn:

Actually, no. By the time I get done "abusing" the trees, there is not enough left to fall on the line.

She said it best "we get extreme opposition when we go to remove some trees".

Boy, you're not kidding there. Did line clearance in backyards for several years in Rochester. Had people meet me at the door with a shotgun, had dogs sicced on me, and had the cops called on us. But get a storm, and suddenly you're the homeowners' best friends.

Kinda funny true story-one fall was trimming along a line. Big white pine had one lead hanging less than a foot right over three phases. Wanted to take it off but the homeowner threw a fit-called the power company and to smooth things over they told us to leave it alone. About three months later, 30 inches of snow fell within a few hours. And believe it or not, a couple of days later, my crew ended up with the trouble ticket for that residence. Sure enough, there was the pine limb hanging off the wires and the homeowner all apologetic that he had given us such a hard time when we came through earlier. But on that whole circuit that we had trimmed, only that limb and two other spots knocked the power out. Line clearance isn't pretty, but it does accomplish its goal--keeping the power on.

 

[treeseer]

"how do you know what kind of alders they are?"

You're right, it's better to use the scientific name, just like you said.
I just went by the common name "tag alder" that was used in the post.

O and I ratted you out for recommending spiking and topping residential trees. I may be a stool pigeon, a fink, and a cheese eater, but don't put me in cement boots--I did not ask for banning--It'd be a shame if you got banned.

opcorn: :hmm3grin2orange: opcorn: :deadhorse: opcorn:

O and ****oo I'm glad to hear the utility arborists did a respectable job. Next time that alder gets close to the line you may want to snip it yourself before it gets too close.

 

[doggonetrees]

Underground service for the company I worked with in Ms.- cost to consumer wasn't that bad, but it still costs. Underground phases- cost lots more. Tree-wire was so expensive it wasn't even considered. Working with all sections with this company gave me the in-sight to how things can get all messed up. Working with the staking crew, the engineer would lie to get an easement from a landowner, if there was to be tree work done for new construction using his pole as a take off pole. Going to that landowner as a ROW guy, they would come out and say" he told me that tree could stay, etc". Even better is when you go to a landowner after an outage and they want to know why is it taking so long to get the tree off the line/ get the line picked up when it is wrapped around all the understory that was left there on the right-of-way( crape myrtles, redtops, etc.) A lot of give and take on both sides.

 

[booboo]

Alnus serrulata, common name tag alder or hazel alder.

 

[antigrassguy]

Cheese eater????

Treeseer ,"I may be a stool pigeon, a fink, and a cheese eater, but don't put me in cement boots"....... What does eating cheese have to do with being a snitch? I eat alot of cheese and have not ratted anybody out in a while. Whats up??:angry2:
And for what is worth I encourage the line clearance guys to prune only around the trees we have around the power lines. If it were left up to the powers that be (power company) every tree 20' from the wires would be removed. Thus no more jobs for the line clearance guys and I doubt my power bill would reflect that cost savings and i get to chat with 'em every 4 years or so.

 

[treeseer]

What does eating cheese have to do with being a snitch? I eat alot of cheese and have not ratted anybody out in a while. Whats up??

Hey I'm from Wisconsin and like Gromit's owner I likes me cheese, too. "Cheese eater" is slang for rat or snitch or squealer--you haven't watched The Godfather lately, have you? Failure to confront someone who is doing something wrong helps them do that wrong. It's better to do it directly, but if that doesn't work, then inform the authorities.

The "don't snitch":taped: ethic belongs to crooks and teenage cliques, not honest people.
If we stand idly by and watch someone bring the profession down by lying and cheating, we are also at fault.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

Not true. Its called the code of silence here. Snitches get stiches

If this were the real world instead of cyberspace, I would imagine you would look like Jerry Cheevers' facemask.:hmm3grin2orange: