leads splitting

[njarbor]

hey guys . so i was outside this morning and i see that my neighbor has a decently sized maple that is splitting at the leads about 15-20 feet from the ground. so, he comes out to leave for work and i mentioned it to him . he tells me nah its been like that for a few years and hes not worried and his wife likes the tree so he doesnt want to take it down . i began telling him about bracing wether it be cable or the cobra system . he said he isnt worried so i told him one last time that if something happens , like it comes crashing down into their house or thier neighbors, that the insurance company wont pay because he didnt maintain the tree. i even gave him the number for aspen tree and said even if you go to someone else just have them look at it . the split extends to what looks like to be around a foot if not a few more inches .. was this the right thing to do ? because i feel that i told him the situation and consequences i kind of cleared my consience but i also didnt want him to think i was trying to sell him a job.

 

[TREETX]

It is neighborly to point out a defect. Other than that, it is up to him. Not everyone wants to spend money on trees. Put your self in his shoes.

I find it hard to believe that insurance wouldn't cover a green tree failing.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Whats wrong with trying to sell a job? Especially if it is needed!

 

[TREETX]

Friendly advice and options available - other than that, leave it alone. Anything else is kin to knocking on doors.

WTF is up with friggin tree people trying to sell people on fear??
Do it, or else........ That is cool if they want to sell cabling systems using fear, but I also think that if the system fails, the tree company should pay for the damages. They don't pay for the damages when poorly made sytems fail and lags pull out of trees, etc. It affects the credibilty of the profession.

Did you even ask him how long he plans to own the property.

Better yet, why not do it for free. I won't work for my neighbors if they pay me. I want to have friendly neighbors, not customers.

Since you are a bit new to tree care, it would be a great opportunity to install a system and watch its performance over time.

Saw this little gem last week.

 

[treeman82]

Nate, what caused that lead to fail? Did you guys have a big storm down there recently?

 

[TREETX]

Good question. It is a cedar elm. They tend to be prone to breaking (aren't all elms?).

They also seem to drop large green limbs on hot summer days.

This was on 32nd street. The same thing happened the week before on both 31st and 34th.

This one did have a bit of a defect where it broke. Nothing major, where the arrow is, there was a branch - now there is just a hollow spot.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

That cable was too low to do any good. Way too much leverage above it. Hardwear looks small for the load too.

Was that an included crotch?

When i sell cable it is as a risk reduction system. Let them know that there is a defect present that increases the risk of failure from a "good" union.

I hate these "it's gonna fall" chicken little sales tactics. If it's gonna fall, take it down.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

The person who installed the cable could be sued for negligence. That cable is WAY too low according to A300 Standards. Besides, it looks like it should have had three cables in the tree.

Tom-viewing comfortably from my easy chair

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by Tom Dunlap
The person who installed the cable could be sued for nebligence.

Yeah, and he should be sued for not installing it properly too.

It looks like the cable was stretched perpendicular to the direction of fall. The cable is attached to the side of the limb, not in a direction that would hold it together.

 

[murphy4trees]

Gotta jump on this wagon....
Perhaps you would consider renaming the pic 'CABLERS SUCK".

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Or

cables don't fail, idiots who install cables fail.

systems should be built to last, that looks like it was built to take some money aways from a homeowner.