Line CLearance Certification

[Rftreeman]

Certification of any kind is based on Knowledge (books), Training (field) and Experience (apprentice). Everyone starts out green and wet behind the ears, makes lots of mistakes, hopefully lives through them, gains years of experience and expertise, and 30 years later goes on to AS to rant about the young'uns with their inexperienced, baby soft hands.

not in line clearance they don't...........

 

[Bigus Termitius]

well Bigus testicless, Ehap is crap!! & that is the concensus with most LCTT`s, you proll couldnt make it through the apprenticeship so hey " this EHAP training will do" (true Al Bundy fashion).

yes I do find humor in acrt rookies along with those who carry other certs without the hands on experience!!!......if acrt is so damn good then why am I training what they breed? I mean hell...on paper their smarter & more knowledgeable than me..right?

shame that the program you call spoon feeding is the program that pilgrimed the LCTT certification & helped get our trade recognized through the Govt. Ehap is just a cheap money grab spin off, & to you Treeseer....what limits doe field experience have......when it come to working around power??? tell ya what guy take your lil books up the tree with you, walk out over the 23kv line & take that hang off............please feel free to refer to your books at any time for help! mean while Ill prolly be watching so when your gonna do something stupid I can stop you!!!

BTW, the cert I have is recognized by the dept of L & I, EHAP is not!! what you beg to differ doesnt mean anything cuz I doubt you have enough experience around lines any way!......Id like someone like you on my crew, lil book worm with soft hands, a weak back & a bladder full of hot air!!



LXT....................

LOL! You are simply pathetic. Looks like I was more than right, keep typing away like you're somebody special though. You're mildly amusing, mostly just disturbing and ignorant, but every bit helpful towards our understanding of you and the mindset that your program bred. Do you reread the 6th grade mentality posts before you send them, or just pray they make sense to someone besides yourself and hope to sound "cool?"

I can't speak to what acrt puts out there, but it does not sound like they are always in safe hands once they get down range. Feel free to have "your kind of fun" with them though, it says a great deal about the program you're a product of and the limits of field experience. You’re a shining example.

While you've been busy with all your little antics and self glorification, have you noticed you've failed to substantiate any of your allegations toward the EHAP program? Who's full of hot air? You can neither articulate nor inform us as to what EHAP is teaching that is so wrong. You just know you can’t stand it and that it is crap.

I could care less about your certs. and how many thousands of classroom hours and months it took for you to figure it all out. Who's really the bookworm?

I had my certs taken care of and on down the line running a crew in no time by comparison. Am I supposed to feel less of a utility arborist because I didn’t mess around for 18 months first? What’s so magical about 18? Maybe some guys can figure it out in less time, ya think? I'm in compliance where I need to be and I get the job done, and done safely. Like I said, it's not rocket science, but I can see where, to some, especially after all that bureaucracy, it's a big deal. How can you not help but to feel special? Like braggin about a little 23K line. (my favorite part, I almost had coffee coming out my nose) Anyway, your program is no doubt designed to make sure the low brows get it, just like public schools. It doesn't mean it's any better, no matter what dept. recognizes it. If I had no choice I'd get through it with good marks and go on, spoon fed and all, but I certainly wouldn't boast like it's the only road to Rome, particularly when it is not.

But hey, if it makes you feel better, congratulations on all that. You da man, you're right; everything else is "crap." The rest of us are not worthy. We are all soft, with no real experience. blah ba blah. Have mercy on us oh great one! Impart your vast wisdom and knowledge upon us, I promise I'll pay my tithes every month.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is generally proven and understood that anyone this full of pomp, has to be. Their ego simply can't afford it otherwise, for various reasons. The juvenile pot shot at another man's manhood intro used in his post in lieu of any real substance is a dead giveaway of at least one of those reasons. (Though he showed great creativity with that one, well worthy of a gold star.) Failure to substantiate claims against another organization and the generic playground references continually used instead, are certainly signs of another. (Sorry, no star for comprehension, creativity, or originality.) His closing statements of how he'd like me on his crew and why, likely reveals the rest, which is really just more of what we've seen so far...empty bravado.

LTX....unless you can contribute something more of actually substance, which I doubt you can afford, don't mind me if I don't respond to anymore of your maniacal drivel. I've got better things to do, mainly because I hardly have a horse in this race much longer anyway. I don't know why this guy wants to bother with it in the first place. It's a thankless bottom dollar racket. I'm moving out on my own, so have your last words here. I've got more work lined up with my name on the door, for ten times the money, than these soft hands and weak back can handle. Pity me.

But you go get em, tiger.

 

[lxt]

LOL! You are simply pathetic. Looks like I was more than right, keep typing away like you're somebody special though. You're mildly amusing, mostly just disturbing and ignorant, but every bit helpful towards our understanding of you and the mindset that your program bred. Do you reread the 6th grade mentality posts before you send them, or just pray they make sense to someone besides yourself and hope to sound "cool?"

I can't speak to what acrt puts out there, but it does not sound like they are always in safe hands once they get down range. Feel free to have "your kind of fun" with them though, it says a great deal about the program you're a product of and the limits of field experience. You’re a shining example.

While you've been busy with all your little antics and self glorification, have you noticed you've failed to substantiate any of your allegations toward the EHAP program? Who's full of hot air? You can neither articulate nor inform us as to what EHAP is teaching that is so wrong. You just know you can’t stand it and that it is crap.

I could care less about your certs. and how many thousands of classroom hours and months it took for you to figure it all out. Who's really the bookworm?

I had my certs taken care of and on down the line running a crew in no time by comparison. Am I supposed to feel less of a utility arborist because I didn’t mess around for 18 months first? What’s so magical about 18? Maybe some guys can figure it out in less time, ya think? I'm in compliance where I need to be and I get the job done, and done safely. Like I said, it's not rocket science, but I can see where, to some, especially after all that bureaucracy, it's a big deal. How can you not help but to feel special? Like braggin about a little 23K line. (my favorite part, I almost had coffee coming out my nose) Anyway, your program is no doubt designed to make sure the low brows get it, just like public schools. It doesn't mean it's any better, no matter what dept. recognizes it. If I had no choice I'd get through it with good marks and go on, spoon fed and all, but I certainly wouldn't boast like it's the only road to Rome, particularly when it is not.

But hey, if it makes you feel better, congratulations on all that. You da man, you're right; everything else is "crap." The rest of us are not worthy. We are all soft, with no real experience. blah ba blah. Have mercy on us oh great one! Impart your vast wisdom and knowledge upon us, I promise I'll pay my tithes every month.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is generally proven and understood that anyone this full of pomp, has to be. Their ego simply can't afford it otherwise, for various reasons. The juvenile pot shot at another man's manhood intro used in his post in lieu of any real substance is a dead giveaway of at least one of those reasons. (Though he showed great creativity with that one, well worthy of a gold star.) Failure to substantiate claims against another organization and the generic playground references continually used instead, are certainly signs of another. (Sorry, no star for comprehension, creativity, or originality.) His closing statements of how he'd like me on his crew and why, likely reveals the rest, which is really just more of what we've seen so far...empty bravado.

LTX....unless you can contribute something more of actually substance, which I doubt you can afford, don't mind me if I don't respond to anymore of your maniacal drivel. I've got better things to do, mainly because I hardly have a horse in this race much longer anyway. I don't know why this guy wants to bother with it in the first place. It's a thankless bottom dollar racket. I'm moving out on my own, so have your last words here. I've got more work lined up with my name on the door, for ten times the money, than these soft hands and weak back can handle. Pity me.

But you go get em, tiger.

Woo woo buckaroo....you are a funny lil dripping arent you? you couldnt carry a babies soiled diaper let alone try to convince us that you are well educated & even decent at line clearance

re-read my post because the prattle you chucked out above only reinforces that those who cry loud enough (ala: you!) will have someone feel sorry for you & much like the special olympics..... they`ll create something (Ehap) so that you can pretend to play with the big boys!!

23kv is funny uh? do you even know what it is?.......ALERT: heres why EHAP is crap, someone like you gets a Cert in what???? 3 months cause your so good & got it all figured out Im gonna have to write to craker jack & let them know you worthy of a certification of higher stature....you derserve the fruit loop line cert. LMFAO

problem with lackies like you is that you couldnt get the certification any other way than to cry about it & have someone make one up for you!! your lil cert my man dont mean nothing here or in any of the states over this way, I can make a lateral move to run crews just about anywhere!!!!! you wouldnt even be hired on as an apprentice & whoopitdoo you have work...................psst.....so do I,

So tmrw when the short bus picks you up & the wifey & kids wave goodbye to daddy whos still got a lil dribble on his chin (no wonder the coffee almost came out) you wave back little fella & in a forest gump like fashion.....you run...just run!

Ive seen so many wise azzes like you come n go, think you knowitall & when your pathetic rearend gets up there your worthless!!!! thats what I dont like about blowhards like you who profess a certification only recognized by the entitiy that grants it............you think you are better than what you really are & then I or another have to finish/help your sorry butt finish what you cant do!!

heres some substance for ya!.....you`re a jack wagon! you`re a wannabe! you`re a crybaby with a wet diaper sitting on the porch of life with hopes and dreams that someday you will be one of the big boys, you`re a spoon fed chunk of flatulance with a made up certification!! I could go on & on insulting your talentless bottomend, But, why continue with what we all already know?! btw...this is just scratching the surface in regards to you!!

oh, many must like what I said cuz im getting kudos for it!! :biggrinbounce2:



LXT..............

 

[treeseer]

oh, many must like what I said cuz im getting kudos for it!! ...

many................what?

Is that what they call circle jerking?

Or the blind stroking the blind. :chainsawguy:

 

[lxt]

many................what?

Is that what they call circle jerking?

Or the blind stroking the blind. :chainsawguy:

No... circle jerking would be reading the stupid article in the arborist news called the "spurious spikes"...........how much do you pay them to print that crap? LOL

many = other members.......and I thought you were a detective!...



LXT................

 

[jefflovstrom]

stupid article in the arborist news called the "spurious spikes"

I vant to suk ur blod! I am trying to picture him with a 21 foot pole pruner.
Jeff

 

[treeseer]

I vant to suk ur blod!

Hey it's Halloween month, right? waddya want, Columbus humor? or punkin jokes? umpkin2: cmon, the Spikes theme worked with the spiculosis disease, ya gotta admit...or it was the best i could do with it anyway...

I am trying to picture him with a 21 foot pole pruner.
Jeff

It's not hard to picture but lemme help. Here's a 7m polesaw in action. no pic of 7m pole pruner handy, but they are the same except for the head.

Barnel makes a good one, out of Australia. Jameson's new 1 3/4" works good too, and you can go way beyond 21' with their poles.

critics. sheesh. :chatter:

 

[jefflovstrom]

Hey it's Halloween month, right? waddya want, Columbus humor? or punkin jokes? umpkin2: cmon, the Spikes theme worked with the spiculosis disease, ya gotta admit...or it was the best i could do with it anyway...

It's not hard to picture but lemme help. Here's a 7m polesaw in action. no pic of 7m pole pruner handy, but they are the same except for the head.

Barnel makes a good one, out of Australia. Jameson's new 1 3/4" works good too, and you can go way beyond 21' with their poles.

critics. sheesh. :chatter:

Just messing with ya! Dang, put your 'man-suit' on!
Jeff

 

[treeseer]

yea yea i could tell you were kiddin.

this thread needed a derail--the rant was pretty heavy there.

O and Rf :agree2: 10' is the rule here; someone else said 15'.

I've been asked to prune clearance on lines because the owners fear they will be hacked. Some I do but when it gets close I call for the utility and watch them do it. and typically they do it well.

 

[ctrees4$]

Has anybody out there received the Utility Specialist cert. from the ISA? It says on the ISA site the it does not qualify you to work around energized lines.

Where can I get the training for working around energized lines? OSHA? Somewhere else I would like to be able to focus my search.

There is a copany called ACRT out of Ohio.I havent done anything with them in years but they should be able to help you get certified.I did the home study and got 4 different certificates,but like everyone has been saying,that is just a piece of paper..the real training is in the field.

 

[bndbrdrs]

I own my on Company as a Sole Proprietorship. My interest in getting the cert is a new acquaintance who works for Davey doing utility in the area told me they have more work then they can handle, and none of other private tree companies around have the line clearance cert. He said that he could get me a bunch of removal work if I got the proper training.

I started my career with Asplundh in 1997, went through the apprenticeship(which is run by the "Joint Apprenticeship Training Council", J.A.T.C) and have been Line clearance certified since 1999. Anyone who has been properly trained should know that you don't have to work for a "Line Clearance Company" to work around the lines. Private contractors can do contract utility trimming as long as they employ trimmers that are line clearance certified and provide the necessary non-conductive gear needed for working around lines, energized or not. Feel free to contact me if you have any more questions, I'm in Bend and have a lot of resources in the line clearance side of tree work. Also, if ya need a hand with all that work around the lines I'm always down for a trip to Eugene.

 

[lxt]

I started my career with Asplundh in 1997, went through the apprenticeship(which is run by the "Joint Apprenticeship Training Council", J.A.T.C) and have been Line clearance certified since 1999. Anyone who has been properly trained should know that you don't have to work for a "Line Clearance Company" to work around the lines. Private contractors can do contract utility trimming as long as they employ trimmers that are line clearance certified and provide the necessary non-conductive gear needed for working around lines, energized or not. Feel free to contact me if you have any more questions, I'm in Bend and have a lot of resources in the line clearance side of tree work. Also, if ya need a hand with all that work around the lines I'm always down for a trip to Eugene.

You are wrong on certain accounts here!!! 1- depending on your state you do have to work for a contractor on utility property to be certified!!!!
2- private individuals cannot in certain states contract to do utility trimming unless the company is a registered LCTT.....I too have many contacts within the line clearance field & to become a vendor for a utility is a task that very few on here can meet....& thats with me knowing the vendor hiring staff very well!!!

3rd........non conductive gear, LOL maybe you should explain that cause there is no such animal, anyone properly trained should know that!!



LXT................

 

[jefflovstrom]

Just want to chime in here. I am Qualified, never heard of Certified being above Qualified. Certified means way less than Qualified.
Jeff (hate voltage),

 

[bndbrdrs]

You are wrong on certain accounts here!!! 1- depending on your state you do have to work for a contractor on utility property to be certified!!!!
2- private individuals cannot in certain states contract to do utility trimming unless the company is a registered LCTT.....I too have many contacts within the line clearance field & to become a vendor for a utility is a task that very few on here can meet....& thats with me knowing the vendor hiring staff very well!!!

3rd........non conductive gear, LOL maybe you should explain that cause there is no such animal, anyone properly trained should know that!!



LXT................

Laws are different state to state K, I'll give you that.
I was posting on a thread started be someone IN OREGON, EVERYTHING I said pertains to the laws IN OREGON, maybe I should have been more clear on that fact.

But non-conductive gear.... You mean to tell me that you would use a steel core flip line around live power lines? And let's see, what kind of pole would you use for your pruner and pole saw? personally when around power I like to use a fiberglass pole with resistors in-line on the rope for the pruner. NOT something I see at ANY of the private companies I've worked for. I didn't feel like spelling it out for him but I guess some of us didn't pay much attention that day in class?

So check it out... there are a lot of people on here giving the wrong answers on here because they are too quick to show everyone that they KNOW EVERYTHING!!! I on the other hand provided the information he needed to find the people who could answer his questions because they are the people in charge of training anyone dealing with high voltage lines in the state of Oregon AND I DON'T know everything. If someone is asking a question that pertains to a certain region or state then why would someone from halfway across the f'ing nation throw his 2 cents in??? Ya'll keep your pennies cause your input aint all that!

 

[ctrees4$]

bndbrdrs rep sent your way

 

[beowulf343]

But non-conductive gear.... You mean to tell me that you would use a steel core flip line around live power lines? And let's see, what kind of pole would you use for your pruner and pole saw? personally when around power I like to use a fiberglass pole with resistors in-line on the rope for the pruner. NOT something I see at ANY of the private companies I've worked for. I didn't feel like spelling it out for him but I guess some of us didn't pay much attention that day in class?

Actually, what i wonder if lxt means (because it irks me a bit too), is guys coming on here constantly talking about not using wire cores around power. Come on man, if you're getting shocked off your wire core, you've got more than just equipment problems. People seem to forget the metal hanging off the saddle, on the saw, on the spikes. Heck, i'd be willing to bet a good chunk of the ropes and lanyards used by climbers will conduct power just as easily as a wire core. A little dust, a little pine pitch, a little moisture, etc.

 

[lxt]

Actually, what i wonder if lxt means (because it irks me a bit too), is guys coming on here constantly talking about not using wire cores around power. Come on man, if you're getting shocked off your wire core, you've got more than just equipment problems. People seem to forget the metal hanging off the saddle, on the saw, on the spikes. Heck, i'd be willing to bet a good chunk of the ropes and lanyards used by climbers will conduct power just as easily as a wire core. A little dust, a little pine pitch, a little moisture, etc.

exactly! & No I didnt miss class oregon!! where im from I have taught it!!! & what beowulf says is spot on......pertaining to non conductive equipment, I use fiberglass pruners, polesaws etc.. but unless your washing them off everyday & using other than metal D-rings, snaps, etc...your sugar plum fairy dance is all wrong!!

so check this out & ill spell it out if need be!!!!....just like I said, it depends on the state & laws in which one lives ........pennies?? lil fella I dont play with those....I like grants & jacksons!! someday you`ll know what the paper currency feels like!!!



LXT...................

 

[Bigus Termitius]

Woo woo buckaroo....you are a funny lil dripping arent you? you couldnt carry a babies soiled diaper let alone try to convince us that you are well educated & even decent at line clearance

re-read my post because the prattle you chucked out above only reinforces that those who cry loud enough (ala: you!) will have someone feel sorry for you & much like the special olympics..... they`ll create something (Ehap) so that you can pretend to play with the big boys!!

23kv is funny uh? do you even know what it is?.......ALERT: heres why EHAP is crap, someone like you gets a Cert in what???? 3 months cause your so good & got it all figured out Im gonna have to write to craker jack & let them know you worthy of a certification of higher stature....you derserve the fruit loop line cert. LMFAO

problem with lackies like you is that you couldnt get the certification any other way than to cry about it & have someone make one up for you!! your lil cert my man dont mean nothing here or in any of the states over this way, I can make a lateral move to run crews just about anywhere!!!!! you wouldnt even be hired on as an apprentice & whoopitdoo you have work...................psst.....so do I,

So tmrw when the short bus picks you up & the wifey & kids wave goodbye to daddy whos still got a lil dribble on his chin (no wonder the coffee almost came out) you wave back little fella & in a forest gump like fashion.....you run...just run!

Ive seen so many wise azzes like you come n go, think you knowitall & when your pathetic rearend gets up there your worthless!!!! thats what I dont like about blowhards like you who profess a certification only recognized by the entitiy that grants it............you think you are better than what you really are & then I or another have to finish/help your sorry butt finish what you cant do!!

heres some substance for ya!.....you`re a jack wagon! you`re a wannabe! you`re a crybaby with a wet diaper sitting on the porch of life with hopes and dreams that someday you will be one of the big boys, you`re a spoon fed chunk of flatulance with a made up certification!! I could go on & on insulting your talentless bottomend, But, why continue with what we all already know?! btw...this is just scratching the surface in regards to you!!

oh, many must like what I said cuz im getting kudos for it!! :biggrinbounce2:



LXT..............

Just more grade school playground fodder and no facts.....just as predicted. Thank you.

 

[PinnaclePete]

QUOTE=Bigus Termitius;2519583]Just more grade school playground fodder and no facts.....just as predicted. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

:deadhorse::welcome:

Unity, has anyone answered your original question?

 

[jefflovstrom]

I am so Confused!
Jeff :computer2: