Line Clearance Certification

[xander9727]

lxt,
Why'd ya edit your post? I kinda got a kick out of the other one.
ROTFLOL

 

[lxt]

I didnt edit my post, possible site retraction dont know! but you got to read it. look, in this trade everyones better than the other guy & vice versa. then you got people entering the trade with no exp. so the consumer out cry is overwhelming thus wonderful little entities such as ACRT & ISA emerge. now their large entities that have become so political and money hungry they manufacture new cert. programs only to have all of us believe you need it or you will fail!!! whatever happened to training or apprenticing with a good tradesman and learning all you can. this is why I recommended this local, good training,good people and a good wage. SO, xander like in the post that never posted?? when the lights go out in your area and your utility request`s the best for the job we`ll be there & I might just take my coffee break in your front yard!!! we`ll get the power on so you wont miss scooby doo or is it the power rangers? AHH WHATTA RUSH LXT..................

 

[JJackson]

lxt...I did not think the ISA ever claimed to offer line clearance certification, the utility specialist has nothing to do with line clearance certification. I must also add that my union crews (in house) only get two 15 minute break a day and a half hour lunch. The are highly trained and have very modern equipment and arbor master training and make our unionized contrator look silly when the jobs become difficult. The crews that work for the utility I work for are some of the hardest workers in the local, which includes the meter readers, linesmen, constuction etc... we are out in all weather at all time. When the meter readers are hidding in a warm office we are standing in a backyard deep in snow doing routine pruning right next to the meter that is "not safe" to read because of the snow.

 

[lxt]

jamie, i couldnt agree more all weather conditions and breaks are not what they were in 1975(steel mill era.)as far as the utility specialist cert. the ISA offers it for management in the line clearance field read the specs on it.(atleast my understanding). problem I have with this is mr./mrs. I cant climb gets an office job, now they get a few years in and whalla a written exam and pull an arborist/utility specialist out of the hat. But these people are better than mr. 25yrs in the trade and has saw all types of new trimming techniques and several language changes and has adapted to the criteria to met each new demand!!! I just think their is no written exam gonna make you/ apprenticeships and handson are how one learns this trade. be safe, take care LXT................

 

[lxt]

Jamie, are you management? and whats your climbing resume? cause that utility specialist cert. is a joke(sorry bro.) ahh... you`ll get the board cert. master arborist cert next ha!!!! plleeaassee, this is exactly what im talkin about. keep up your dues & pay those recert. fees but guess what??? you still need the guy/girl to climb up there, hangout there and cut it off. who else is gonna do it MANAGEMENT!!!

 

[diltree]

Lxt......Are you seriously sh!tting on the Board Certified Master Arborist, do you even realize how knowledgeable you have to be to pass that test. You are sounding more ignorant the more posts you leave. Chill out no one is disagreeing with your statement that your local provides good training, we take your word for it

 

[NeTree]

lxt, try to treat others with the respect you'd like to recieve, please.

 

[NeTree]

AH, but I had a great teacher... a veteran of 30+ years.

 

[xander9727]

I just kinda wing it as I go As long as nothing sparks I guess I'm doing it right.

 

[lxt]

diltree & netree, I did not intend to be disrespectful, and as far as knowledgeable cmon, board cert. mst arborist what happened to the cert, arborist program the NAA used to have I know!!! a cert. arborist was the highest level you could attain, but there were only what 48/50 cert. arbs east of the mississippi. NAA`s dues could not carry them so another entity takes over cheapens the requirements and whaalla 1600 cert. arbs. agree or not. I took NAA`s test hard wasnt the word and you were told you would have to retake. you had to pass a skills exam,id trees from 3 sources, diagnose and prescribe(the botanical name for.) knot testing, safety testing, written exam and more..(I still have my results) the domain I failed was diagnose & prescribe I was a mere 22/23yrs old. point is the requirements have considerably cheapened all for the mighty dollar whats next? galactic arborist commander. LXT.............

 

[NeTree]

LOL lxt... but there is a truth to what you're saying, no doubt.

 

[diltree]

Thats funny Lxt.....but the I.S.A. certification exam is not exactly easy to pass, domains covering the practical, such as risk assessment, climbing and working in trees, cabling and bracing, and domains that assess your knowledge of agriculture; disease and diagnosis, tree biology, fertilization, ext....Plus a regional tree I.d list containing both common names and botanical names. Passing the test defiantly proves you are a knowledgeable arborist. The board certification is on an entire different level, it is far more intense, passing it makes you an expert "arborist". It doesn't certify that you are a great climber or a technician when taking down a difficult tree, but certainly proves you are an expert on any level of tree assessment or consultation pertaining to preservation or tree health care. I don't agree with the C.E.U.'s and all the other ways that the I.S.A. gets $$$ from you, but i do believe in the credibility certification provides, just as the training and certification your local provides makes you a credible and "qualified" Line Clearance tree trimmer.

 

[lxt]

diltree, look I understand the need for knowledge, its attained through want not have to. ISA`s exam is no where near what the NAA offered years ago believe me folks in my local have their cert`s through the ISA, my problem is management!!! obtaining a credential in a field that they are unable to do #1 climb, what good is all that knowledge if you cant apply it? better yet how about those individuals show me how to do it since my production could always improve, no disrespect, but I dont need some piece of paper even though I have it! CREDIBILITY!!! when I put on my tools and do what I do & all the big shots are watchin thats credible cause they dont,wont or cant do it & they let me know it! & I respect that, but dont take a multple choice exam and think your all that!! & in your post you state EXPERT arborist what happened to C.A. being the hallmark as in their brochure this was the highest level. truth is they will keep conjuring up different cert. programs so they can make more $$$$, sorry the ISA to me is a dues agency, heres your union xander. LXT

 

[diltree]

lXt

I understand what you are trying to say LXt......I come from a family of tree care professionals, two of my brothers and my father are not arborists and hold no certifications (Except Line Clearance), yet can dominate any one in our area taking down a tree, in any situation. They are truelly experts in the field; on any tree removal, yet they are not experts in the field of agriculture. They don't understand trees like a Board certified arborist. The reason for this is they are separate entities. A tree surgeon is specific to trimming and take downs while an arborist is capable of some take-downs but also understands tree's and has a passion for tree preservation. An arborist knows when a tree needs to be taken down and also has alternatives for saving or preserving a declining tree when those options exist. I understand you may not like the I.S.A and the ways they make money, but when you sh*t on the certifications you also put down those who worked hard to obtain them. I have Met a couple board certified arborists and sought advise from some on this sight, and their knowledge of tree problems and solutions where unparalleled.

 

[xander9727]

Now I don't feel so bad........I'm not an expert in the field of agriculture either.

 

[diltree]

Ya Xander, but you are an expert working around Utilities, a task many arborists want nothing to do with.

 

[xander9727]

If you meant that I really appreciate the compliment. I really do try and improve everyday. I know that there is a ton of stuff out there I don't know but I really try to learn something new or improve a skill I already have everyday. Maybe some day I can teach for a living.......other than my employees. I got line clearance certified to make me safer, more effective and marketable in my industry. I understand the dangers with electricity and I wanted to make sure I was always pursuing the expert path.........even though you do get one mistake.

 

[JJackson]

lxt, yeah I am management and do not climb. I don't tell my guys how to do their job, just what tree needs the work and they do the rest, sometimes when they are up there they find something I did not see, so we take care of it if needed. I handle the parts they do not want to do, talking to customers, negotiating and educating. The certifications I obtained were job requirements and the additional knowledge that I took away has help with my understanding of trees. I read about climbing and other subjects in the arboriculture field to educate myself so that I know more of what is going on, not to be booksmart, I dont make suggestions about climbing to the crews that is the job of the foreman. My crews do not have too many issues with the work I give them, the odd time on their suggestion it gets changed from my initial perscription. Some do complain that I do not know how to climb, but that is only druing training and days off when they need help on a side job or just having fun. I dont regret the education and career path I chose that gave me the experience to get to my current situation, the pay check is not the only reward. I do regret not being able to climb but I am in the process of obtaining my equipment so that I can partcipate too. Basicaly I let my climbers do their thing and the let me do mine, just afternoon I educated some of them on what to look for to identify beetle infection in trees, their local does not take time to educate them like your lxt. Like you I would certainly take pride in a union that provides that. I am curious if some of the materials your local uses for training are available to others? I do the job the climbers dont want to do, I am not better or higher than they are, with out each other work does not progress. I do want to know about the training that your local provides.

 

[lxt]

jjackson, for info regarding training & materials contact local 1919 greentree Pa, talk to Don or Dave, good guys, If for some reason they cant help they will advise of who can. I know when 1919 started their program, Davey,Naa,Acrt even Asplundh used our crewleaders for training future employees, then president Tom Walsh actually was responsible for bringing about LCTT certification and was recognized through fed dept of labor. since then many entities have formed cert. courses I know unions get a bad rap but these guys work and are good,knowlegeable and pridefull, I believe the pen-del chapter can help you out in contacting them also take care be safe..LXT....

 

[boo]

Hi Folks,
Long time no visit...sry
I know this is an old thread, but I need some new answers.
Where to send guys for line clearance certs. near central FL.?
Thanks for any help.