treevet
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Prediction....you get one or you get out of the biz early.
Bucket and crane will smoke your buddy on their worst day. (110' ain't all that big either)
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Prediction....you get one or you get out of the biz early.
Bucket and crane will smoke your buddy on their worst day. (110' ain't all that big either)
fishercat
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110' always gets it done around here.
I'd have to see your bucket crane combo. we tried it and the bucket truck got in the way.way faster without it. I have also watched a big local outfit do it here and they seem very slow to me.The guy I use with the crane is insane fast.He climbs and his brother runs the crane.i've been on the ground with three other guys,the grapple,and the chipper and we couldn't keep up with them.
less vehicles on the customers lawn,the better.the really don't like those big trucks on their lawns around here,they don't want the added cost of repairs, and they aren't bright enough to hire us when the ground is frozen or dry.
I unfortunately don't get to climb every day but I jump at the chance.I'll be fine.
I'd have to see your bucket crane combo. we tried it and the bucket truck got in the way.way faster without it. I have also watched a big local outfit do it here and they seem very slow to me.The guy I use with the crane is insane fast.He climbs and his brother runs the crane.i've been on the ground with three other guys,the grapple,and the chipper and we couldn't keep up with them.
less vehicles on the customers lawn,the better.the really don't like those big trucks on their lawns around here,they don't want the added cost of repairs, and they aren't bright enough to hire us when the ground is frozen or dry.
I unfortunately don't get to climb every day but I jump at the chance.I'll be fine.
tree md
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No shame in using a bucket or crane in my opinion. Heck, you'd be a fool not to if you had the money and wherewithal to operate that big.
There is always going to be the need for technical climbers to get where the bucket won't reach but sometimes a bucket, lift or crane makes so much more sense.Like when you have lots of trees to prune on a location or multiple locations (like after a storm). Hey, I consider myself a pretty fast climber and an excellent manager. I can work two climbing crews to death and climb as well but I still ain't beating the bucket crews.
Also, when you have 3 30K trees in the back yard and can pick them over the house to the street are you going to tell me it makes more sense to rope everything and have to carry 90 thousand plus pounds of tree to the front? I had a guy bust on me here on this site a year or so back about talking up the crane so much. Said he could do more than I could with the GRCS for cheaper. Hogwash! The guy we did that job for didn't want a bunch of tree guys camped out at his house for a week while he hoped they didn't drop something through his roof. He wanted the job done now, with a crane and had the money to pay for it. We had like 14 hours into that job. Only 10 hours climbing for me and I was setting at the house drinking a cold beer counting thousands while Mr. boat winch would have still been humping for 3 or 4 more days. Don't get me wrong, the GRCS is an awesome tool but it's no crane.
In every town your gonna have the older guy who has paid his dues and has all the toys to play with. He'll be the old crotchety bastard who is naming his own price. I have a lot of respect for that guy. I've learned a lot from a few of them and hope to be where they are at someday myself.
What I don't like is they guy who borrowed money to buy a bucket and jumped in there with no knowledge of what tree work is about. You know the guy, the one who is running down the road hat racking every large hardwood on every Elm street in America.
There is always going to be the need for technical climbers to get where the bucket won't reach but sometimes a bucket, lift or crane makes so much more sense.Like when you have lots of trees to prune on a location or multiple locations (like after a storm). Hey, I consider myself a pretty fast climber and an excellent manager. I can work two climbing crews to death and climb as well but I still ain't beating the bucket crews.
Also, when you have 3 30K trees in the back yard and can pick them over the house to the street are you going to tell me it makes more sense to rope everything and have to carry 90 thousand plus pounds of tree to the front? I had a guy bust on me here on this site a year or so back about talking up the crane so much. Said he could do more than I could with the GRCS for cheaper. Hogwash! The guy we did that job for didn't want a bunch of tree guys camped out at his house for a week while he hoped they didn't drop something through his roof. He wanted the job done now, with a crane and had the money to pay for it. We had like 14 hours into that job. Only 10 hours climbing for me and I was setting at the house drinking a cold beer counting thousands while Mr. boat winch would have still been humping for 3 or 4 more days. Don't get me wrong, the GRCS is an awesome tool but it's no crane.
In every town your gonna have the older guy who has paid his dues and has all the toys to play with. He'll be the old crotchety bastard who is naming his own price. I have a lot of respect for that guy. I've learned a lot from a few of them and hope to be where they are at someday myself.
What I don't like is they guy who borrowed money to buy a bucket and jumped in there with no knowledge of what tree work is about. You know the guy, the one who is running down the road hat racking every large hardwood on every Elm street in America.
fishercat
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that is what I am saying.........
I know when a bucket truck is needed and have no problem using them.When I need one,I get one.If I need a bigger crane,I know where one is.We get stuff done with what we have.I ain't gettin' buried in debt to impress anyone.Right now folks don't want to pay enough to pay for rope,let alone a bucket truck.
I know when a bucket truck is needed and have no problem using them.When I need one,I get one.If I need a bigger crane,I know where one is.We get stuff done with what we have.I ain't gettin' buried in debt to impress anyone.Right now folks don't want to pay enough to pay for rope,let alone a bucket truck.
tree md
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Yep, couldn't agree with you more there. I never have and never will go into debt for equipment. I'll either pay cash or do without it.
treevet
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excellent post
i started climbing in 95 and stepped into a bucket 2 years ago and let me tell you if that truck will fit, it's going in. I still love to climb but the money rolls in faster.
outofmytree
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Exactly right. I climb because I love to climb but there is no doubt a bucket is faster in most jobs. I will buy a bucket one day maybe.... but not this week.
sgreanbeans
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Tree Md,
I agree 100%, I was a good climber till I was hurt in USMC, cant climb anymore ( little stuff when my wife doesn't know!)
I will not climb anything big anymore, the whole arms losing all feeling thing can get in the way! I love the bucket, I can take a break when I need to, Apply all the rigging knowledge you have and you'll see what the craze is, I would love to be able to climb, but I still need to work, I love the toys, weather its a new split tail or a brand new Sterling Elevator, they all are cool and make our industry safer and more productive. I have my boy Nick, who is absolutely awesome at climbing, have often told him to enter a contest! So I have the best of both worlds, now u can call me........a bucket baby....if you like, im good with it! But some of us were climbers first and are smart enough to keep a good one on staff. This way if I knock my self out in the truck, my groundy IS a climber, and Nick can save me!
I agree 100%, I was a good climber till I was hurt in USMC, cant climb anymore ( little stuff when my wife doesn't know!)
I will not climb anything big anymore, the whole arms losing all feeling thing can get in the way! I love the bucket, I can take a break when I need to, Apply all the rigging knowledge you have and you'll see what the craze is, I would love to be able to climb, but I still need to work, I love the toys, weather its a new split tail or a brand new Sterling Elevator, they all are cool and make our industry safer and more productive. I have my boy Nick, who is absolutely awesome at climbing, have often told him to enter a contest! So I have the best of both worlds, now u can call me........a bucket baby....if you like, im good with it! But some of us were climbers first and are smart enough to keep a good one on staff. This way if I knock my self out in the truck, my groundy IS a climber, and Nick can save me!
A bucket is great when you get tired of climbing every stupid little tree - and just wanna make some money and go home!
Climbing is great, and I love it ... but sometimes its just plain stupid how much faster and easier it is from a bucket. Bucket is especially nice for roping big wood down... or even better, roping big leaning wood.
That being said: it give me a bit of a thrill climbing out of it at 60', makes me feel pretty good about being able to do both... of course its also nice when the GM sends it back up once the top is out.
Climbing is great, and I love it ... but sometimes its just plain stupid how much faster and easier it is from a bucket. Bucket is especially nice for roping big wood down... or even better, roping big leaning wood.
That being said: it give me a bit of a thrill climbing out of it at 60', makes me feel pretty good about being able to do both... of course its also nice when the GM sends it back up once the top is out.
