Burvol
Bullbuck
That's too funny...I drove by those machines a lot going steelhead fishing when I use to live up there.
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That's too funny...I drove by those machines a lot going steelhead fishing when I use to live up there.
GASoline71
Mr. Nice Guy
Yup... that's when I would drive by them too... or on the way up deer or grouse hunting.
Gary
sILlogger
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Yup... that's when I would drive by them too... or on the way up deer or grouse hunting.
Gary
so out of curiousity how old would these machines be and what would it cost to buy one? a new one? just curious
There was an old Skagit that was for sale for $3500. I think it needed a little work. After a year of sitting, somebody bought it. Some are only worth the scrap price..oops, a lot I mean. There's many of the big old ones along our highway and I-5 by Chehalis. Since most weigh a lot, they cost a lot of $$to lowboy anywhere. Back in the olden times, yarders used to move about at night and would mysteriously appear on landings the next morning. Always a mystery! One broke a bridge and landed in the Cowlitz River. It was a self propelled one. The operator barely got out. It turned into quite the attraction as in, "Lets go see the broken bridge and the yarder today!" They had to get commercial divers with cutting torches to get it out. Shortly after, the company did away with all their logging crews and went to gyppos. Ooops, that has nothing to do with cost, but how heavy the beasties are. New ones? I've not seen a brand new one since 1988. But I think they must exist. Maybe in Loggers World?
Mindy Hughes
ArboristSite Lurker
History Channel's Axe Men
Hi everyone,
Have you heard about the Axe Men series that the History Channel is putting out? The company I work for was filmed for 13 weeks for this show. I think (hope) it is going to change the negative thinking about logging. We are working on a website, putting lots of pictures up.
www.stumpbranchlogging.com
If you get a chance take a look.
Thanks, Mindy
Hi everyone,
Have you heard about the Axe Men series that the History Channel is putting out? The company I work for was filmed for 13 weeks for this show. I think (hope) it is going to change the negative thinking about logging. We are working on a website, putting lots of pictures up.
www.stumpbranchlogging.com
If you get a chance take a look.
Thanks, Mindy
Burvol
Bullbuck
My dad has a skagit from the mid 70's that still runs! It just sits in the bone yard though...
The Skagit owner's "new" yarder is an old West Coast one which, I think, is also a 70s vintage model. He said it was a forerunner or built similar to the Madill 071. I'll have to take a picture of the ancient gas powered Skagit, which is sitting in the snow at a high elevation. I won't be able to get to it till June. The guy who has it, cut it out of a blackberry patch and has tried to run it, but it breaks down more than it runs. I like the Jetsons style chair in the cab.
Clearwater
ArboristSite Member
Yoaders
A friend of mine ran a Yoader. I watched him use it as a regular shovel and as a yarder. I never saw him throw the tongs. He did show me how they worked though. Sort of like using a giant fishing rod to lob a huge hook. He said that he could get a lot of distance if tossing them down hill. The way he explained it, was that a "line Puller" pulled the cable off the drum, but didn't let it backlash on the drum. That allowed the tongs to be tossed out.
I just wouldn't want to be the guy on the other end who has to set the tongs on the log once it was thrown out. I guess you would just have to hide behind a stump and hope the throw wasn't too wild.
A friend of mine ran a Yoader. I watched him use it as a regular shovel and as a yarder. I never saw him throw the tongs. He did show me how they worked though. Sort of like using a giant fishing rod to lob a huge hook. He said that he could get a lot of distance if tossing them down hill. The way he explained it, was that a "line Puller" pulled the cable off the drum, but didn't let it backlash on the drum. That allowed the tongs to be tossed out.
I just wouldn't want to be the guy on the other end who has to set the tongs on the log once it was thrown out. I guess you would just have to hide behind a stump and hope the throw wasn't too wild.
treejunkie13
ArboristSite Operative
tong throwing
Got a couple video's on tong throwing, from a place in Oregon that sets these units up. Holy Wow! Super fast and accurate... (Practice required I'm sure) The video was from 2005 and at that time they already had produced over 50 of these units...(someone is making some money) It's just like fishing - the best way to explain it. They can throw over and underhand, up to 300'. The mechanism at the end of the stick is called a slack kicker, that keeps the line tame. They said that one of the wheels is coated with rubber and wears out about once a month for $35-$40.
I was pretty impressed with the hook tenders, on how close the tongs would come to them and what little (few feet) they would have to drag to a log, put the tongs on and run. In about 45 min they had a truck load dragged up next to the shovel.
Of coarse this was a video which they can edit. But it sold me. Would like to see one in person.
Gotta go buy some lotto tickets!
Got a couple video's on tong throwing, from a place in Oregon that sets these units up. Holy Wow! Super fast and accurate... (Practice required I'm sure) The video was from 2005 and at that time they already had produced over 50 of these units...(someone is making some money) It's just like fishing - the best way to explain it. They can throw over and underhand, up to 300'. The mechanism at the end of the stick is called a slack kicker, that keeps the line tame. They said that one of the wheels is coated with rubber and wears out about once a month for $35-$40.
I was pretty impressed with the hook tenders, on how close the tongs would come to them and what little (few feet) they would have to drag to a log, put the tongs on and run. In about 45 min they had a truck load dragged up next to the shovel.
Of coarse this was a video which they can edit. But it sold me. Would like to see one in person.
Gotta go buy some lotto tickets!
Clearwater, a young logger in Idaho was killed last year when he was hit by the tongs. The article said for unknown reasons, he was standing closer and in a different spot than he was during previous throws. I presume he was by himself with no experienced guys around to yell at him.
I don't think you could use such a method in anything but a clearcut or massively spaced leave trees. I can see I'd go crazy and start using bad words to the operators about scarring up trees! I think they will have a yoader on the history channel show.
I don't think you could use such a method in anything but a clearcut or massively spaced leave trees. I can see I'd go crazy and start using bad words to the operators about scarring up trees! I think they will have a yoader on the history channel show.
treejunkie13
ArboristSite Operative
I'm thinking that it would take a certain kind of person to operate one. Also some outstanding 2-way communication. (Not just hand signals) I can visualize the tongs wrapping around a limb 50' up in a select cut...(now what)
Then some excited young man would be wanting to cut it down. Guys on the rigging crew delight in getting to cut trees down. I can always tell which ones they have cut, they are generally not as accomplished as the fallers and usually have stump pull. I try to be out of the way when they do cut as I've had to run, or take a dive behind a large stump due to their lack of practice. Last year there were 3 instances of falling trees on the skyline while I was in the area. Not good for the lines or people on the ground. Everybody gets this look on their face when they realize what is going to happen.
And then you run for cover. Afterwards, when heads have been counted, the boss gets quite angry.:censored:I worked there the winter of 77/78 on the forestry crew for the Oatmeal Savages (Roy Kittles and Frank White).
Skinhead doesn't ring a bell, but Herb Halliday does. I just can't remember what he did. Being on the forestry crew, we were bottom of the totem pole and nobody would associate with us. We were in the worst wore out bunkhouse, and most of us got in trouble when we had a party one night. A couple of guys got fired, and the rest were written up. I had a better job lined up for the spring so I was just biding my time, making some money over the winter.
I think Rollie Parker was the camp manager at the time, but I can't be sure.
treejunkie13
ArboristSite Operative
"I worked there the winter of 77/78 on the forestry crew for the Oatmeal Savages (Roy Kittles and Frank White).
Skinhead doesn't ring a bell, but Herb Halliday does. I just can't remember what he did. Being on the forestry crew, we were bottom of the totem pole and nobody would associate with us. We were in the worst wore out bunkhouse, and most of us got in trouble when we had a party one night. A couple of guys got fired, and the rest were written up. I had a better job lined up for the spring so I was just biding my time, making some money over the winter.
I think Rollie Parker was the camp manager at the time, but I can't be sure."
Howdy again,
I also worked on the Forestry Crew starting in September of 1976. Frank White was the Foreman and his son Jim was the Leadhand, sort of.
I was on the crew when we first took on women, which was very interesting.
They could plant and all that but none of them were too keen about running a powersaw all day spacing plantations.
They ended up doing the layouts and stringing out the twine for each section.
"Skinhead" was Bob Robertson, and he was the Superintendent and another guy who I can't recall the name of was the Manager then. Later a guy named Don Ramsey became Manager and Bill Hanna became Super.
I started working in the Warehouse in January of 1977 when old Joe Weekes had a heart attack and couldn't come back to work for six months or so.
I also lived in the Forestry Crew bunkhouse with all the animals.
Quite a performance for sure.
We had a softball team during 1977 and went undefeated that summer too.
Lots of memories from back then.
Joe came back to work in June so I went on afternoon shift for a year, perfect for a surfer like me as I could go home to Jordan River after work, get up in the morning and surf the Point then return to Renfrew in the afternoon for work.
Great times.
Oh, and Herb Halliday was one of the Bullbuckers, in charge of the Fallers.
The fallers at Renfrew were the worst bunch of slack-ass useless tits I've ever encountered in the industry though, with the exception of a couple of them.
Worst crew on the coast in my humble opinion.
I couldn't believe what they got away with back then.
Take care.
Skinhead doesn't ring a bell, but Herb Halliday does. I just can't remember what he did. Being on the forestry crew, we were bottom of the totem pole and nobody would associate with us. We were in the worst wore out bunkhouse, and most of us got in trouble when we had a party one night. A couple of guys got fired, and the rest were written up. I had a better job lined up for the spring so I was just biding my time, making some money over the winter.
I think Rollie Parker was the camp manager at the time, but I can't be sure."
Howdy again,
I also worked on the Forestry Crew starting in September of 1976. Frank White was the Foreman and his son Jim was the Leadhand, sort of.
I was on the crew when we first took on women, which was very interesting.
They could plant and all that but none of them were too keen about running a powersaw all day spacing plantations.
They ended up doing the layouts and stringing out the twine for each section.
"Skinhead" was Bob Robertson, and he was the Superintendent and another guy who I can't recall the name of was the Manager then. Later a guy named Don Ramsey became Manager and Bill Hanna became Super.
I started working in the Warehouse in January of 1977 when old Joe Weekes had a heart attack and couldn't come back to work for six months or so.
I also lived in the Forestry Crew bunkhouse with all the animals.
Quite a performance for sure.
We had a softball team during 1977 and went undefeated that summer too.
Lots of memories from back then.
Joe came back to work in June so I went on afternoon shift for a year, perfect for a surfer like me as I could go home to Jordan River after work, get up in the morning and surf the Point then return to Renfrew in the afternoon for work.
Great times.
Oh, and Herb Halliday was one of the Bullbuckers, in charge of the Fallers.
The fallers at Renfrew were the worst bunch of slack-ass useless tits I've ever encountered in the industry though, with the exception of a couple of them.
Worst crew on the coast in my humble opinion.
I couldn't believe what they got away with back then.
Take care.
I started in Nov of 77, left in March 78. Some of the names are familiar, but I had worked on the timber cruising crew out of Head Office the summer before, so I may have heard the names through stories.
Union fallers all over the Island and south coast at that time were notorious for having too much time to think about how awful their life was. The fallers at MB Franklin River shut down that camp (200 man +) because there was no apple pie. And the fallers at Canfor Woss shut that operation down because they had run out of bacon for breakfast.
Life in forestry crew bunkhouse was quite the place, drugs and booze every night. Guys were smoking up in the crummy each morning. Not quite as bad as the climbers, who are topping for the selective heli logging, doing lines (coke) at the top of the spar after they blow off the top.
clearance
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Mouthing off again, hey there, how do you know this to be true? I know a few guys who have done standing stem, they don't use. How could you do lines outside, on a tree top? Gossip, gossip, sure there are guys who do blow, use junk, and the like. So what, they are in every industry, here you are telling people all over the world how bad it is in B.C.
So, think back to the day, when you "worked" in the bush, ever get high, ever get drunk, ever go to town and get laid? Well?
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