True that , I just now got to reading your post........I had to go get a fresh drink before i started. I agree with you there about being hard on ones self to get better at welding. 99% of everything we weld is 1/4" mild steel and stainless steel and up to 1" so we dont Tig too often but we have the service. Joint prep is one of my biggest pet peeves in the shop . One needs to work on penetration FIRST before mastering the nice looking bead ....... the thing is when you have proper joint prep and penetration the weld beat come out as it should. Most of the time it just amazes new welders what his bead looks like when it was done right in the first place. The one thing about welding is you never stop learning.GPH85 said:Sorry if it seems like I was "picking" on you Rspike... After all you are the only person on here who has bothered to post any pics right I don't claim to be a "know it all" on the subject and I'm sorry for anyone who may have taken it this way (I just reread my own post and took it that way), but I do like to state the bad more than I do the good and I am always looking for ways to improve on my own welds... Although you learn from both the good and bad, the bad has the most effect and is why I was pointing out the things I did...