More eye splice mayhem

[treemandan]

Ok, no mayhem... yet.

Looking at the one with the yellow block on it I would say there could have been mayhem if I didn't notice the splice pulled out.I just put it inot service recently. The last I used it the other day was here

I used it with that pulley on the base of that tree to move the statue. I realized I couldn't hold it with one rig point so I put in another top rope and secured that to the Dingo. After that I think I might have used it on a small TD but can't be sure.


I have really only ever spliced the 3 strand stuff you see laying there and of course ( what Tom refers to the mess) the brummel splice I just made of that little green piece of rope.
The one eye on the porty has been in service for a few years and seems fine.

 

[treemandan]

I never saw a splice pull out like that and I wouldn't think it would have been damaged on the last time I used it. I don't supposed it can be fixed?

 

[Blakesmaster]

I never saw a splice pull out like that and I wouldn't think it would have been damaged on the last time I used it. I don't supposed it can be fixed?

Good thing you noticed that. I'd probably pull it the res of the way out and try to re-splice it. You should probably ask pdql or ghillie or someone who has spliced more than one line though.

 

[pdqdl]

Sure. Glad to help, although I'm not sure I qualify as a pro-splicer.

1st: Identify your rope type, VERY CAREFULLY. If you don't know what kind of rope it is, you can't possibly do the right splice. From the picture, that looks like Samson's orange stable braid, which requires a class I "double braid" splice. The "pulled out tail" looks like it might be the inner core with the "crossover" pulled out. You can't take that splice and just tuck the tail back in; you will need to bury the cover inside the core again before you tuck in the core. It's a little complicated: get the instruction!

2nd: read the instructions! Directions for almost any splice are here: http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?page=28

3rd. Compare your taper and completely disassembled eye splice to the instructions. If it's not a good match, then either you have the wrong rope description or it was spliced improperly. If the ends and taper are not all messed up, just re-splice. If you think it is not a good idea, then cut off the damaged part, and splice from a new end.

My guess is that splice pulled out because it was not stitched in place properly. The double braid splices hold together very well when they are loaded heavy, but they creep apart very slowly if wiggled much when they are not carrying a load. You don't notice it when the crossover begins to pull out, then you can grab an eye wrong and pull out the buried tail if it was never stitched in place. I had that happen to me once in a tree, right before I dangled from it. I've been stitching ever since.

When you go to doing your own splices: make sure you have a good magic marker, and some good heavy needles for lock stitching. If you don't, then you can't follow the instructions right, and you will be taking too many chances.

NOTE: Samsons splicing instructions use "Fid lengths", which are not usually explained. one fid length is 22 times the diameter of the rope.

I like to use the individual strings from a chunk of stable braid for doing the lock stitches, Very strong, it matches the rope in color, and you can melt the ends down to seal the knots.

 

[pdqdl]

BTW: that tenex eye splice looks like you went nuts with the attempts at locking Brummels! Look up some of Moray's splice breaking tests, and you will have more confidence in the splices.

Those don't look like true locking Brummels, either. It looks like the tail was just woven criss-cross down the main rope, which doesn't really do the same thing. I'd re-do that one again, although it will probably hold just fine.

 

[pdqdl]

I had a thought...this might save you some time.

Try milking the cover back down the core towards the eye. If you can bury the crossover inside the cover, then your splice is ok, and you should lock stitch it back in place. If the crossover does not bury inside the cover: take it all apart and start over.

Examine the entire rope to make sure that you didn't just steal cover from the other end of the rope.

 

[treemandan]

Yes, I need to get up on some real splicing techniques I suppose. The brummel thing? That is how they told me to do it at the store I got the rope and it seemingly look good. I like how you can see it all and its not really quite the mess one might think it is.I didn't even know it had a name or if even if it is a brummel splice. I will probably have to use it tommorow so we will see.

 

[pdqdl]

It looks like it will hold, although it is not as strong as doing it the right way. You seem like a cavalier character until you do some tree work; then you take pride in your work and your technique.

I just figured you would prefer to have a splice that looks good in addition to being stronger and safer. That Tenex is too easy to splice to waste time doing it the wrong way.




Work on that taper and get a big stitching needle for lock stitching your splices! It's not safe without it.

 

[treemandan]

It looks like it will hold, although it is not as strong as doing it the right way. You seem like a cavalier character until you do some tree work; then you take pride in your work and your technique.

I just figured you would prefer to have a splice that looks good in addition to being stronger and safer. That Tenex is too easy to splice to waste time doing it the wrong way.




Work on that taper and get a big stitching needle for lock stitching your splices! It's not safe without it.

Yeah, well that is how the guy who sold me the rope demonstrated it. Its actually dynamic support cable like Cobra and the like. You really aren't supposed to bury it in the cable application but I stuck it in there for the heck of it... while I gave my kid a bath. It comes right apart real easy too. Tensile is like 20 grand roughly and I don't see it coming apart unless i want it to.
I still have to do something with the trashed eye splice.

 

[BlackenedTimber]

That looks like my Porty and one of my stable braid slings on the left of your picture... Please return them at once.

 

[treemandan]

That looks like my Porty and one of my stable braid slings on the left of your picture... Please return them at once.

I thought you said I could have it.

 

[BlackenedTimber]

I must have been drunk and blacked out... oh well, enjoy it then.

 

[treemandan]

A few updates

First:
What is actually inside

I don't know. Looks real complicated, something I am not looking to mess with, don't need another project to project if ya know what I mean. Kinda pissed I gotta deal with this as it is. I gotta tell the people I got it from about it.


But guess what?

She pulled through no problem, took a little pressure on the outside but inside still creamy.



It was just a little oak and I only used it for the limbs mostly but they where considerable.

So I say to this guy, " Smile, I like to have pictures of people I almost kill "

True story. I was roping out a chunk, I stopped cutting to see how much hinge I had left and it was ready to move, it only needed just a burp to move it. During the brief second I stopped the saw I heard hollering which I would never had heard ( nor seen)if I hadn't stopped for a " safety check" . I look down there is this guy chasing 3 cocker spaniels round the base of the tree.

 

[tomtrees58]

looks good tom trees

 

[treemandan]

looks good tom trees

Yes it was one of those Oldirty " it ain't fair" bits. I was literally falling asleep watching 3 guys cut each of the limbs 4 or 5 five times just to be able to get it in the chipper. I always keep my gaurd up though, specially on things that appear to be easy. Even if they are easy don't make sense to slacken.
John and Jesse took down a nice trampoline and took it home. The HO gave it to them.
I like that splice cause its easy and fast.

 

[BlackenedTimber]

The HO looks happy. I bet his check will clear, too.

 

[pdqdl]

Yep. Check will clear.

Professional lawn mowing in the background. Parallel lines, evenly spaced, with directional changes. No evidence of string trimmer damage on landscape timbers, this guy had been getting what he wants for a long time.

He probably knows how to tell a contractor what he wants, too.