More old saws on the way Lombard #3 and a Homelite

[Ranchero50]

Talked to my saw guy and he dug up two more old relics, one a Lombard and another a blue Homlite, both big like the Disston DO-101 I got last week.

Took a look at Mikes info on the Lombard and it's a Model 3 series saw from around 1950 with the triangle rear handle and fully exposed chain.

Not sure about the Homelite, especially a blue one (what vintage is that?) but I should see them both tomorow.

More info and pictures to follow.

Jamie

 

[canguy21]

I believe Homelite switched colors in 1972. I would like to see a pic.

 

[Lewis Brander]

Hello Ranchero50:

If the old Homelite has say the vertical cylinder say like the Disston it probably is the Zip model. Check out the Zip saws on Mike's site. He list the Zip, Zip B, Zip 5 and 6. Take care. Lewis.

 

[Lewis Brander]

Pic ot Zip saw:

This is a pic of a Zip I'm picking up on the 15th of Jan.

 

[Mange]

It could be a Buz aswell. There is an older look at the buz, but it is actally not that old, check it on Mike's site..

 

[Ranchero50]

It's a Zip... Saw one go off on eBay running for $25 yesterday... In other news my Disston was in the wood yesterday. Have pictures at home. Pretty cool, but the disston chain is way too soft compared to todays chains. Took about a minute to gouge through a 16" locust chunk with that poor chain.

For the Lombard, how do you get the mag cover off? It's keyed on the crankshaft like a flywheel, but doesn't have any threaded holes to mount a puller to. I'm a little leary trying to pry it off. I checked the primary side of the coil and it's not shorted.

Jamie

 

[woodshop]

Lombard

Ranchero, I too just inherited an old Lombard. Not sure of details yet, I won't see it till next weekend when I run up to my Dad's to get it. Its a two man job from the 1940's, but I think its a 4 cycle because the engine apparently has to stay in the upright position all the time. In fact, Dad says the bar actually pivots in relation to the motor to achieve this. When crosscutting it looks like a regular chainsaw, but when you cut a tree down, the bar twists sideways parallel to ground while engine stays upright. Ever hear of this? He said he has the original manual that came with it and last time he fired it up, it ran. Can't wait to run up there and get it. He was also given an old Dayton saw he said I could have that has a big aluminum case. Again no details till I get up there and see the monsters. You guys are right... this can get addicting. Wish I had kept my old Homelite XL from years ago. When it finally wore out I tossed it!! Little did I know 25 years later I would get all nostalgic and mushy and want it back to restore.

Dave
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[sedanman]

Woodshop, Not likely a 4 cycle. More likely a float type carb on that saw.

 

[Ranchero50]

Ditto the float style carb. My saw mech with 50 year exp thought mine was that style and remembers guys always having fits with the intake seal going out. They usually ended up with two saws, one for vertical cuts and another for horizontal ones. My Lombard is a #3 model with a 13" bar running 1/2" chain. Looks like a toy. Check out my Disston thread for pics.

Jamie

 

[Lewis Brander]

Not a 4 cycle:

Woodchop: That saw is not a 4 cycle. Don't go and use straight gas in it, to try and run it. You'll ruin it. Use a good 32/1 Mix. while running that saw (or richer, say 20/1 to run her initially). Pull the plugs and give everything a good amount of oil for lubrication, cranking her over several times to make sure all is lubricated and free, before trying to start it. Wouldn't heart to do a compression test to determine if the rings may be stuck). It's a float type carb that has to sit in the horizontal position to work, thus the swiveling gearbox to turn the bar for vertical or horizontal cuts. If you have the operator's manuel be sure to read and follow the operating instructions for fuel mix and lubrication of the gearbox etc. Good luck on the saw. Lewis.

 

[Lawn Masters]

Thats the disadvantage of float carbs. I worked on a lawnmower with one, and really dislike float model carbs now. EVERY month when I went to run it, I had to rebuild it, made me so @#@! mad its not funny. The lawn mower with a diaphragm carb is so much nicer to me, since they never really need much rebuilding after stale gas sits there for awhile, just prime, pull, and you're cutting. Ok, sorry to ramble off the topic, please carry on with the originally designated discussion.

 

[ray benson]

Woodshop- Mikes site has quite a few Lombards. Here is one
http://64.180.101.188/cscc.nsf/ed1d...d3af07288921717b88256c8b001719a8?OpenDocument
Ray

 

[Lewis Brander]

Ranchero50:

As far as your Lombard goes, I don't have any info on them. That's why I'm hoping that people will post their manuuels on the net, so that other's can see, view and download them. If you post a picture of what you wnat to remove, I'm sure there's someone who has repaired or worked on Lombards that can make a suggestion or 2. If you're not sure on how to do it leave it alone untill you get some advice. Take care. Lewis.

 

[Lewis Brander]

Ranchero50:

As far as your Lombard goes, I don't have any info on them. That's why I'm hoping that people will post their manuuels on the net, so that other's can see, view and download them. If you post a picture of what you want to remove, I'm sure there's someone who has repaired or worked on Lombards that can make a suggestion or 2. If you're not sure on how to do it leave it alone untill you get some advice. Take care. Lewis.

 

[Ranchero50]

Ok, after dodging most of the dog sh_t and mud puddles barefoot here's some up to the minute pics of the Lombard and Zip along with some of the other kids. The mag cover says Phelon so hopefully I can get a new one on Oldmercs.com. They showed several when I was looking for the Bendix Scintilla one for the Disston.

Well crap, for the Zip look on the Disston thread (can't double upload)

Jamie

 

[woodshop]

ok thanks guys, so probly NOT a 4 cycle... no worries, would not have run strait gas in the thing before making sure. As I said, the original manual is with it, and yup, going to read through the thing before actually firing it up, should be interesting. Thanks for that Lombard link Ray, I remember seeing this saw in my grandfathers barn as a kid, but can't remember details enough to say if its actually the one in that link, but it looks similar for sure, has that big handle on the end. I can't wait till next weekend when I can put my hands on this thing, take some pics etc. My Dad said when he used it growing up on the farm with his dad, the guy at the end of the bar got covered in oil, chips etc, was a real dirty job. Lewis asked about Lombard manuals, I will gladly scan mine and make it available to anybody who wants it.
Dave
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[Mange]

I would love a copy, if it is OK.

 

[Lewis Brander]

Manuels:

Ranchero50. I too would like to get a copy of the manuel. Thanks. Lewis.

 

[woodshop]

Lombard manual

OK, next weekend when I go get the old Lombard, I'll scan the manual, burn the files to a disk and send. Email me with name/address.

Dave
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[Gypo Logger]

Here's a scan of a Lombard brochure.
John