Moving The Yarder Off The Hill

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A wet and chilly day. One of those days when you are constantly wringing out gloves. The crew finished up and it was time to move the yarder out.
The road it had to go down was steep. So, first a guyline was hooked up to the cat.
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Then off they went.
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And they made it down OK.
 
I like the swing boom on the CAT was/is that a 527? or do that make other sizes of CAT crawler skidders.

Sam
 
And our silviculturist said we cannot use cable logging to thin with. BS looking at what your pics show it is being done. I think there is more to it than he is letting on economics wise. plus we cannot cut our stands below 60% canopy closure which makes it tough to cut enough out to make the logging system economical. We usually cut between 3-5K / acre with our tractor sales. is that doug fir you guys are working in.
 
And our silviculturist said we cannot use cable logging to thin with. BS looking at what your pics show it is being done. I think there is more to it than he is letting on economics wise. plus we cannot cut our stands below 60% canopy closure which makes it tough to cut enough out to make the logging system economical. We usually cut between 3-5K / acre with our tractor sales. is that doug fir you guys are working in.

I've heard that before. Thinning is all we do and we do skyline in quite a bit.
We also have done the "impossible" downhill yarding in thinnings. Yes, it is slow, but the rigging guys have improved a lot as we've had more and more.
One crew even downhilled using an intermediate support. It is getting so there isn't any more damage on a downhill yarded unit as there is on an uphill setting--if the crew is good. That includes the fallers. A few settings were messed up by bad fallers.

Skyline thinnings can turn out beautifully. It takes a year for all the brush to hide the stumps here, and then most people don't even realize it was logged.
I can see the corridors, but that's just me.

I've got a lot of pictures and some bad videos of yarders and thinnings on this forum.

This unit was in a bit of doug fir, but the majority was hemlock and silver fir.
Back in da old days, it was considered uneconomical to go into anything under 10 mbf per acre. Now we are going in the range you mentioned, and in doug-fir. We should be cutting heavier in places, but can't.

For some reason, and I can't get them out to see active logging operations, many planners seem to think that cable logging is harder on the ground than skidder logging. Go figure?

Yarders are my favorite method. I like the whistles.

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This picture shows where they did have problems and banged up some trees.
The hill wasn't shaped quite right and there was no lift in this part. Note how low the carriage is.
 
"For some reason, and I can't get them out to see active logging operations, many planners seem to think that cable logging is harder on the ground than skidder logging. Go figure?\"

I think in our situation its easy for them to fall back to what they are the most comfortable with and cream all the tractor ground because it is cheap and leave all the cable and helicopter ground untouched and nice and ripe for a good fire to clean it to nothing. We are also going back for our second entry thinnings over the next 5 yrs and with the current guidlines we will not cut any trees over 30" dbh so after these thinnings our timber stands will be off limits due to size. Unless we make some changes to our managing documents which I don't see happening. So we shall see.
 
Nice pics Slowp. Nice to see the iron working!
I ran a D5 just like that quite a bit. They are a great little tractor.
 
How well does one of these D5's blade. Im about to look at one right now that has that untercarriage with the sprockets in the center instead of the standard dozer set up with the sprocket more towards the rear.

The one Im about to look at doesnt have a grapple but has a large winch with a tall Fairlead.

I saw a nice 527 here one time thats a rarity a crawler logging here. It was brought in for a steep job on the bluffs at the lake. That was an awesome machine. Same job they used a hillbilly yarder called a Loggers dream. Its bus frame with a dead axle under tha back and an A frame. It was anchored to a stump the Buses transmission and rear end was used as a winch. Dangerous a all get out but funn to watch.
 
"For some reason, and I can't get them out to see active logging operations, many planners seem to think that cable logging is harder on the ground than skidder logging. Go figure?\"

I think in our situation its easy for them to fall back to what they are the most comfortable with and cream all the tractor ground because it is cheap and leave all the cable and helicopter ground untouched and nice and ripe for a good fire to clean it to nothing. We are also going back for our second entry thinnings over the next 5 yrs and with the current guidlines we will not cut any trees over 30" dbh so after these thinnings our timber stands will be off limits due to size. Unless we make some changes to our managing documents which I don't see happening. So we shall see.

What's the purpose of having diameter limits? That sounds like something an attorney would come up with.
 
I meant balance wise lol Are they tippy nose heavy ect. I think I found a deal on this tractor, Its low hours and had a light fire that been repaired needs some pain on the hood. I need one for light clean up at the Land fill we run as a spare dozer spreading gravel and topsoil to. Im a finish operator so Im pretty decent with a dozer just interested in their handling.

All I know what to do with a skidder is compact garbage with them lol.

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Thanks for the answers folks Im gonna go look at the rig tomorrow. I love seeing the different ways logging takes place away from NE MS. Here its pretty much standard cut with a Feller buncher and skid to a trailer mounted loader. most log roads are made with a skidder.
 
Cool pics. Ive been around equipment all my life, but Ive never seen any kind of cat dozer that the final drives is in the center like that one. Guess my wife was wrong and I dont know everthing after all lol. Id guess that it is more balanced and will go up steeper terrain with them more to to center like that....and since its got that grapple on it, probably gives it more lift capacity too.
 
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