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Your 261s really are fast Brad. I got to play with one at a GTG awhile back. It was very impressive. I think it was faster that the ones I do.
MS261 VS MS261 C-M Comparison
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Well I finally got time to finish up the Muffler mod for mine... Hoping to give it a test run tomorrow night. I left the stock port alone, and the side port is currently .171 in^2. I have plenty of room to go bigger if needed. But Should be about 75% of the mufflers intake with both exhaust ports. I do have screens on both so like I said I may need to go bigger if I don't notice an improvement.
Fitment of the screen needs to be refined, Installed the deflector with Jackbolts and the gap is thicker than the screen... I also should have shortened up the over all length of the deflector. The edge of the hole for the bottom jackbolt cut into the radius so I have a small gap down there.
I might just make a spacer to sandwich the screen to the body for now until I figure out if I should go bigger then try again with a slightly different deflector design.
Aaron
Fitment of the screen needs to be refined, Installed the deflector with Jackbolts and the gap is thicker than the screen... I also should have shortened up the over all length of the deflector. The edge of the hole for the bottom jackbolt cut into the radius so I have a small gap down there.
I might just make a spacer to sandwich the screen to the body for now until I figure out if I should go bigger then try again with a slightly different deflector design.
Aaron
WOW, I would have never guessed how much of a difference the muffler mod makes on the 261C.
Its not that I was really skeptical of the muffler mod helping out... Its just I was not sure how noticeable it would be.
I used to race RX-7s put on the the "Racing Beat" exhaust that claimed like 20% gains at the time... (now its up to 32%, It also requires a fuel cut defender because it allows the turbo to spool so much better from 7-8 psi to 10-11 if I remember correctly) At that time, that exhaust wowed me at the difference it made.
This muffler mod was even better. I went out to the city dump today over lunch and cut up large chunks of miscellaneous wood.... before with moderate-heavy pressure I could bog the saw down in oak with the 18" bar fully buried and a freshly sharpened chain. Now with the 20" bar... it did not skip a beat just changed pitch and kept cutting! That is until I REALLY leaned on it!!!
I liked the saw before... I really did not think it would make this big of a difference! Now I really want to send it Randy and have him work his magic... but that's not going to happen. My wife says I already have too many expensive hobbies...
Its not like I have that many...
Just going to make time to adjust the squish, once the snow is too deep to cut on the farm. My wife is going to start referring to me as Tim Taylor again...
Aaron
Its not that I was really skeptical of the muffler mod helping out... Its just I was not sure how noticeable it would be.
I used to race RX-7s put on the the "Racing Beat" exhaust that claimed like 20% gains at the time... (now its up to 32%, It also requires a fuel cut defender because it allows the turbo to spool so much better from 7-8 psi to 10-11 if I remember correctly) At that time, that exhaust wowed me at the difference it made.
This muffler mod was even better. I went out to the city dump today over lunch and cut up large chunks of miscellaneous wood.... before with moderate-heavy pressure I could bog the saw down in oak with the 18" bar fully buried and a freshly sharpened chain. Now with the 20" bar... it did not skip a beat just changed pitch and kept cutting! That is until I REALLY leaned on it!!!
I liked the saw before... I really did not think it would make this big of a difference! Now I really want to send it Randy and have him work his magic... but that's not going to happen. My wife says I already have too many expensive hobbies...
Its not like I have that many... Just going to make time to adjust the squish, once the snow is too deep to cut on the farm. My wife is going to start referring to me as Tim Taylor again...
Aaron
sweetchuck
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The factory outlet is very restrictive on these......
Mainly because the screen is tiny.
When the screen isn't important to the end user, this is what I do.
sweetchuck
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ok Im new to this site and the way it works but I believe ive got it figured out how to post now. May have posted blank replies sorry.My question is I have a brand new ms261 cm and looking at these muffler mods and cant quite tell if you put a hole and deflector on one side of the muffler do you also remove and bore out the screen inseret and screw. Do you do both or just one?Here's what I'm working on......
Here's an unscreened deflector, silver brazed on and just the deflector is painted.
This one was done by someone else and has the whole muffler painted.
This is the screened style I'm working on now. Remember, these big screws are temporary.
Welcome to the site. Randy (Mastermind) ports saws, and ported saws need a much larger exhaust opening.
On a stock saw, a smaller hole would be more appropriate. The M-Tronic system will adjust for it (but may give you a few fits while doing it).
If you pull the cover and remove the screen the factory hole will function much better. Then, If you drill a hole on the opposite side, you will need to add a deflector to keep it from warming your hand.
I would just add a 1/4" hole to the cover on the same side, close to the seam (as far away from the front as possible). Look before you drill to make sure it will vent clear of any obstructions. Make sure you remove all filings before you re install it. (You will not need a deflector for this mod).
That is the first step to waking the saw up a bit, good luck & enjoy.
On a stock saw, a smaller hole would be more appropriate. The M-Tronic system will adjust for it (but may give you a few fits while doing it).
If you pull the cover and remove the screen the factory hole will function much better. Then, If you drill a hole on the opposite side, you will need to add a deflector to keep it from warming your hand.
I would just add a 1/4" hole to the cover on the same side, close to the seam (as far away from the front as possible). Look before you drill to make sure it will vent clear of any obstructions. Make sure you remove all filings before you re install it. (You will not need a deflector for this mod).
That is the first step to waking the saw up a bit, good luck & enjoy.
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Ported or Not, I like to open them up a lot. I've thrown the % to exhaust port rule out. I have a MS 250 I got for next to nothing and it's a little screamer now that it's been opened up and retuned!
Me too!!!
Some saws like it, some don't.
DexterDay
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After some of the muff mods I've seen at GTG's (including one without the front cover)!! I'm with the go big or go home bunch!!
Mastermind Worksaws
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It seems so weird that I'm banned.....but at the same time, I'm not. LOL
EchoShindaiwaMakitaDolmar
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The Mods and Admins here at AS strike me as even handed and reasonable.
Welcome to the dark side Randy ... I think the management changed here not long ago, so perhaps other things changed also.
Mastermind Worksaws
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About 5 or 6 years ago we started a new forum. The owner of this site locked me out of my account. I could no longer read my messages, or make any posts. So, I started another account, but it doesn't have the reach that my first account had. To this day the site's name that we started is still censored. But yeah....fairness rules here. LOL
Different owner now .
RIP Dex!
Mastermind Worksaws
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I talked with them about reinstating my old account. In explaining what happened, I typed the name of that "other forum"....only to see that it was still censored. I then told whoever I was conversing with how silly that seemed to me, a grown man. After that, they stopped replying. So...new owners, same mindset.
No....I actually came here to find this thread and share an uncensored link to it with a member of that "other forum".Are you here to check your messages.
Hope all's well.
Hmm! Thats a shame .
Laugh buddy, it's good for the soul
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