MS361 Full Wraps

[beelsr]

+1 whats next? a full wrap ms180?
the only thing remotely useful about a full wrap 361 would be the handle keeping you up out of the dirt for the stump cuts. otherwise, if ya can't handle a little <60cc saw without a full wrap....
must be a keeping up appearances thing.
-Ralph

Geee... what kind of saw slut are you? You don't have a dedicated stump slicer? To me, it seems like a reason to get another saw....

:jester:

 

[clearance]

PNW ROCKS!!We seem to be dominating. Remember big dogs,long bars, wrap handles,squre chain and lots a rain Even converting RR2

No doubt, who is disputing this? Only some weekend warriors and arborists, if there are any production fallers out east they haven't really disagreed. I am not a faller, but sometimes I do fall and buck all day. Westcoast faller, now thats someone to respect.

 

[GASoline71]

No doubt, who is disputing this? Only some weekend warriors and arborists, if there are any production fallers out east they haven't really disagreed. I am not a faller, but sometimes I do fall and buck all day. Westcoast faller, now thats someone to respect.

It's all fallin' on deaf ears mang...:help:

Good post.

Gary

 

[SawTroll]

..... Niko, the translator doesn't do sarcasm so well. we agree.

-Ralph

Got the message now, sarcasm is easy to overlook when it isn't in your natural language........:greenchainsaw:

 

[GASoline71]

Got the message now, sarcasm is easy to overlook when it isn't in your natural language........:greenchainsaw:

HAHAHAHA!

Now that's the pot callin' the kettle black!:biggrinbounce2:

It's all in fun Niko...

Gary

 

[begleytree]

No doubt, who is disputing this? Only some weekend warriors and arborists, if there are any production fallers out east they haven't really disagreed. I am not a faller, but sometimes I do fall and buck all day. Westcoast faller, now thats someone to respect.

how about the east coast loggers working pretty much the same slope as the west coast guys, only cutting hardwoods (read-real trees) they deserve no respect Clearance? without the millions in drag lines and helos either. then you see that a 660 needs a 32" bar and chain to get anywhere cutting oak and hickory all day . LOL at these little 60cc saws pulling 24 and 30" bars in pine wearing full wraps. gimme a break. limbing saws at best around here, more likely the limber will be running a 440 or 460 though. 60cc saws are best served being left on the woodpile to make firewood with.
size comes into play as well. try to make a set amount of fallen bdft a day when the trees are much harder, smaller, and with less equipment to get them out of the woods with. we all know a cut tree in the woods is worthless right? you only get paid after it reaches the mill.
probably talking to the wall though.
-Ralph

 

[clearance]

Ralph, falling is a tough gig, in any area. I think that westcoast falling takes the cake though, generally speaking much steeper ground, way more elevation change involved, like sea level to over 5k'. The trees are much bigger, in d.b.h. and hieght. Way out in the bush, lots of fly in shows, lots of windshield time to get there if you can drive, lots of boat shows. Logging on the westcoast takes the cake as well, because of the difficult terrain, guys here innovated and came up with genius solutions. Falling 6'-14' wood, over 200' tall, much of it decadent and overmature, on a wickedly steep side hill. Then bucking it. The packing blocks and pulling line up over all that for the yarder, a little more than hooking chokers for a skidder. Anyways, hard work is hard work, and I mean no disrepect, just sayin.

 

[ShoerFast]

Ralph, falling is a tough gig, in any area. I think that westcoast falling takes the cake though, generally speaking much steeper ground, way more elevation change involved, like sea level to over 5k'. The trees are much bigger, in d.b.h. and hieght. Way out in the bush, lots of fly in shows, lots of windshield time to get there if you can drive, lots of boat shows. Logging on the westcoast takes the cake as well, because of the difficult terrain, guys here innovated and came up with genius solutions. Falling 6'-14' wood, over 200' tall, much of it decadent and overmature, on a wickedly steep side hill. Then bucking it. The packing blocks and pulling line up over all that for the yarder, a little more than hooking chokers for a skidder. Anyways, hard work is hard work, and I mean no disrepect, just sayin.

Care to mention that we are in a "361" thread?

My 660 is wrapped, love it , the saw power and weight justified the "W" for me.

I do a lot of cutting, on 4 : 4 slope at 9000' plus , and think I have a h311 of a crew with the wrapped 660 and a flush cut-361 . heard mention of weekend warriors, well this weekend warrior dose fell his share of 36" DBH trees, not as big as PNW trees, but large enough to say that a 361 is further down a "cut - for - money" operations list as a large tree feller,,,,, my 361 is hiding behind a tree so it don't get squashed,,,,, but comes running out when the dust settles,,,, and the 660W's turn to take a nap.

It would be nice if the 361 was a felling saw for large trees, but it is not what it was made for in my book. Only fell about 100 trees with my 361, and nothing that it couldn't back bar if I were stuck on the wrong side of the tree do to a mountain or something in the way. IWO: there is no way that I would "W" my 361 , I just can't see it being a benefit to me? Maybe it is due to my upbringing , being raised cutting hardwoods back east?

 

[WACutter]

Yikes!

Wow, what did I start?:biggrinbounce2:

This last weekend I took down 2 firs that were about 16" dbh. They were on the side of a very steep draw. The 361W worked like a champ. I felt that it gave me more control than my non-wrap 034, which is about the same size. The wraps were nice, and the 361W was noticeably handier than my 440W, especially on the side of a slippery, steep draw.

Now, this is the opinion of a non-pro, who only cuts for fun and/or donates the time to the church or other organizations. Most of what I do is storm cleanup.

Aside from the theoretical and cutting style issues, the wraps are still sturdier and a bit more comfy (better padding) than the original ones.

....and they do look REALLY COOL:hmm3grin2orange:

Ron

 

[ShoerFast]

Wow, what did I start?:biggrinbounce2:

This last weekend I took down 2 firs that were about 16" dbh. They were on the side of a very steep draw. The 361W worked like a champ. I felt that it gave me more control than my non-wrap 034, which is about the same size. The wraps were nice, and the 361W was noticeably handier than my 440W, especially on the side of a slippery, steep draw.

Now, this is the opinion of a non-pro, who only cuts for fun and/or donates the time to the church or other organizations. Most of what I do is storm cleanup.

Aside from the theoretical and cutting style issues, the wraps are still sturdier and a bit more comfy (better padding) than the original ones.

....and they do look REALLY COOL:hmm3grin2orange:

Ron

You started a good thread, and we can be sure that there were no condescending ideas or views, but when the terms weekend-warriors are brought up, that changes things, no?

But if I may ask, how did the extra "wrap" help?

I notice that sometimes I do reach for the area without it, after running a saw with a wrap, small tadders compared to having a flush-cut,,,,I'm not sure that I would want a 361 wrapped if it were my only saw.

Yes, it's been brought up, they do look cool !

 

[begleytree]

Aside from the theoretical and cutting style issues, the wraps are still sturdier and a bit more comfy (better padding) than the original ones.



Ron

hey, anything that takes the flimsy feel out of the 361's springy mounts is a good thing too. something I hadn't considered earlier.
rock on brother!
-Ralph

 

[RiverRat2]

Well Troll!!!!

I don't think full wraps is a good idea for stump cuts......opcorn:

I suppose if the majority of all your stumps are <24"DBH and you can do it all from one side,,, A wrap doesnt make sense for you,,,, but if a lot of the stumps are in excess of 36" and a feller has to cut from both sides,,,, it's pretty handy to have a handle on the otherside,,, :monkey: its all relative I guess?????

 

[WACutter]

You started a good thread, and we can be sure that there were no condescending ideas or views, but when the terms weekend-warriors are brought up, that changes things, no?

But if I may ask, how did the extra "wrap" help?

I notice that sometimes I do reach for the area without it, after running a saw with a wrap, small tadders compared to having a flush-cut,,,,I'm not sure that I would want a 361 wrapped if it were my only saw.

Yes, it's been brought up, they do look cool !

Maybe this is my inexperience, but due to the slope and tree position, it was much easier for me to cut from the side where I had the saw clutch-side up. Does that make sense?

I agree that I would probably not want a 361W as my only saw, but I have been accumulating saws over the years and have a "few". This site has not done much for my restraint, either!

hey, anything that takes the flimsy feel out of the 361's springy mounts is a good thing too. something I hadn't considered earlier.
rock on brother!
-Ralph

The wrap kit did come with what appears to be a sightly beefier spring mount. That, along with the aluminum bar and thicker grips makes the saw feel a little more solid. Of course this is highly subjective.

 

[beelsr]

Maybe this is my inexperience, but due to the slope and tree position, it was much easier for me to cut from the side where I had the saw clutch-side up. Does that make sense?

Perfect sense. I have a wrap kit on my 046 and when i had the 361, I was so used to flipping the clutch up, I found myself neglecting it and just taking the 046 in the woods. Which defeated the purpose of the 361 - WEIGHT reduction and my aching back. And when I saw your post, I hit that link quickly.

Mostly in the 20" here but I'm on top of a mountain (1700 feet up) and need help on the offside. If I ever flush cut a stump, I'll use the 260 - it lives with semi-chisel on the bar anyways...

 

[ShoerFast]

Maybe this is my inexperience, but due to the slope and tree position, it was much easier for me to cut from the side where I had the saw clutch-side up. Does that make sense?

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Yes, that dose make sense, but I just make that cut with the top of the bar, cutters going away, just lean into the saw. Bigger saws and some of the old-iron torquesters were to hard to lean into, maybe this is what puzzles my about a 60cc saw with a wrap?