Need Equipment Advise, much work to do

[MasterBlaster]

Who do you have to perform an aerial rescue?

 

[Ax-man]

I think that is what the whistle is for. Unless he is planning on having chippers and chain saws running nine ninety on the job.

 

[THC]

Much Work to do.

Mr. MasterBlaster,

Question:
Who do you have to perform an aerial rescue?

This is a very good question. I would have to say the local volunteer firemen who if you have ever seen them work....!! You would probably be better off NOT being rescued.

There will be one to two helpers on the ground. No chippers, no chain saws, no distractions if at all possible. I have to admit I am looking at each tree with a much different approach than before, where I just climbed it, tied off and made the cut, came down, limbed the brush with a Double Edge Axe, brought the tractor over with the trailer, loaded up and transported the debris to the dump site.

There is really is no adequate answer. Tell me, have you ever been involved in a rescue or been rescued? If so what happened?

Actually, I am going to make a call to these guys and see what they have to say. We do have a county maintenance crew across the road from the farm entrance. It would be a good idea to check with them also.

To Ax-Man,

Thanks for the suggestions on the throwball.

Best regards,

 

[Ryan Willock]

You have to special order the eye splice on the climbing line. I personally like Sherrills, they're a little on the pricey side but they know their product and thats worth a lot. If you already have the climbers compainion then you're off to a good start. You might consider some of the books from ArborMaster Training.

 

[Ax-man]

Glens,

No, there is nothing wrong with giving a guy a " starter kit " but we have no idea who we are giving advise to, let alone what their talents are for doing tree work, if they have any at all.. We have enough injuries and accidents within our own ranks, let alone opening the door to novices who come here, that may add to those statistics.

 

[Ryan Willock]

Who are we to say that someone can't do something? I do believe that we should warn people of the dangers and costs but hey if some one wants to jump off of a bridge thats THEIR BUSINESS, not mine. (THC, thats not aimed at you, but please think twice, cut once) Now I do agree that we have seen some real idiots come on here looking for advice and just trolling in general. If some one is going to try it anyway then I think we should at least point them in the right direction so that they have a least a chance of learning to do it safely.

 

[THC]

Much work to do

Gentlemen,

I cannot thank you all enough for the advise, concern for safety and general help you have given me.

I am looking at several books and checking the costs of a professional climber. One of you mentioned, no $$ for a pro, but $$ for equipment. The people in the area I have spoken to who have had work done tell me prices that would buy 3 times the equipment I am looking at. I realize they are also buying the knowledge to safely do the job.

I can't help it, I like to climb and work up there. I also like to learn new things and this activity is very attractive to me.

When you think about it, the forum is a most incredible method of learning and the ability to talk to real experts as you fellows are is a great privilege. You have brought to me many factors I have never before considered and I now look at the many trees around me in a much different way.

I do like living, so you can bet I will think a long time before acting.

Thank you all again, you have all been great people with which to talk.

Best regards,

 

[MasterBlaster]

Terry, I only mentioned that in passing because it is a good practice to be in the habit of. Sometimes I'll have climbers around me, and sometimes I won't. I'll even climb alone, but I don't enjoy it.

I was just thinking being inexperienced it would be good for you to have someone around. No flames were meant.

Have ya been reading the old threads?

Here's a couple...

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=100722#post100722

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10595

There are a lot more.

 

[glens]

<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.treeclimbing.it%2Fshop%2Fset%2Findex.htm&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools" target="_blank">starter kit</a>

 

[Dadatwins]

Originally posted by glens
<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.treeclimbing.it%2Fshop%2Fset%2Findex.htm&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools" target="_blank">starter kit</a>

I can't even spell half of the stuff on that list, and would probably need a second mortgage to pay for it.

 

[Ax-man]

Just out of curiousity what does a euro dollar translate into in our money.

 

[glens]

google is your friend.&nbsp; Searching for "currency conversion" and doing "I'm feeling lucky" gets you <a href="http://www.xe.com/ucc/">xe.com</a>.&nbsp; A moment ago, 820 EUR is 1014.92 USD (1,343.69 CAD).&nbsp; Sherrills could probably do a bit better, especially if certain substitutions were made.

The individual components can be discovered by "thumbing through" http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/start.htm

Glen

 

[glens]

It's actually a nice-looking package.&nbsp; I was going to add links for the (equivalent) items at Sherrills site, but two things prevented me.&nbsp; First is that I can't even get <i>into</i> their site anymore in the last couple of days and second, if I could, the <i>really poor</i> site design doesn't provide a way to "deep link" to the product "pages".&nbsp; (If you guys see this and want some help, let me know; I'm available and am sure we can work something out.&nbsp; There are several extremely fundamental design flaws!)

Here's a set of links (which should each open in a new window) to google-translated pages for the individual items.
<ul>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/petzl/index.htm" target="_blank">Imbrago from job Petzl Navaho Vario</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/petzl/index.htm" target="_blank">Helmet from job Petzl Encrin ST</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/corde/index.htm" target="_blank">Rope Yale XTCplus asolata from 45 meters</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://professionalropes.com/italien/corde_pro6.html" target="_blank">60 meters rope from gone back Beal Antipodes 10.5 milimeter</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/pesini/index.htm" target="_blank">Bag for ropes "Diabolik"</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/corde/index.htm" target="_blank">Cordino Yale asolato XTCplus for bellunese node</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/longe/index.htm" target="_blank">Longe in Kit with bloccante Petzl Microcender</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/forcelle/index.htm" target="_blank">False complete staple 80 cm</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/doppia/index.htm" target="_blank">Double complete Kong handle</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/connettori/index.htm" target="_blank">5 Kong shackles to triple formed emergency pear</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/connettori/index.htm" target="_blank">Carrucolino Oscillating Petzl with small shackle</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/pesini/index.htm" target="_blank">4 pesini from launch</a>
<li><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.treeclimbing.it/shop/pesini/index.htm" target="_blank">coil from 100 meters of cordino from launch</a>
</ul>
Glen

 

[THC]

Reading More

MasterBlaster.

Thanks for the reference to the climbing site. I will be reading all I can.

By the way, just made $50.00 clearing a walking path for a fellow where at least 7 large trees had fallen across. Took about 3 hrs and a lot of careful consideration as to how to drop the 60 ft long stems that were crossed over each other. Did a little climbing with much better understanding due to the discussions we have had here.

I have been off the net for two days as a result of another storm that knocked out power and fried the modem.

A logger came in Thursday and bought 38 downed trees of several varieties. The result is $800.00 which is more than I ever expected from the difficulty in extracting the material.

Bought a pare of chaps for better saw protection. Expensive!!

Bought two throw bags and some carabiners. Am getting ready to order climbing rope and a throwline, & flip line with steel core. This may sound strange, but we have a hardware store up the road that carries Sunbelt Outdoor Products for nearly the same prices as those I have seen on the net. My funds are coming from Social Security which as I am still working, will help fund the equipment. There is no retirement in my future as there is no savings, looks like I will work until age 70 or beyond.

Thanks again, I am open to all of your thoughts and suggestions.

Just a last item of some interest, the logger gave me a lesson in felling trees. God was I off base with what I was practicing. I hope to attend a class that is to be held in a forest north of Bloomington, IN in October.

Best regards,

 

[Stumper]

Terry Terry Terry... you worked 3 hours for $50? AUUGHHHHH!


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[MasterBlaster]

Yea, Terry. $50 won't get me outta the house, unless it takes me 15 or 20 minutes.

Here are a few more links you might enjoy;

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10024&highlight=climbing+saddle

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11410&highlight=climbing+saddle

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9882&highlight=climbing+saddle

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1158&highlight=climbing+spurs

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11019&highlight=climbing+spurs

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5353&highlight=climbing+spurs

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12578&highlight=climbing+spurs

http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/Friction Hitches.html

http://131.230.57.1/knots.htm

http://www.forestapps.com/tips/tips.htm

http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/bowline.htm#Twist



ENJOY!

 

[Dadatwins]

$50 dollars for three hours climbing? Learn all you can buddy, for that price there is probably a hundred guys here that would love to sub you out.

 

[Ax-man]

Looks like he is hooked, he is already out free lancing to make some money. With the log money he could afford a decent starter kit.

Oh Terry, make sure that any hardware for life support you plan on buying at this Sunbelt store is rated for our industry, minumum break strength 5,000lbs. or 23 Kn. and carabiners that are posi-locking.

If your going to do this, do it right, don't take any short cuts on safety.

 

[THC]

$50 bucks for 3 hrs

Stumper,

I new that would bring me some gaffs. The guy is a good friend, and I would have done it for the experience but he wanted to at least pay what it would cost to rent a chain saw. The fellow is a physics teacher and it was a lot safer for him, for me to do the work as I was much more careful than he would have been.

Ax-Man,

This Sunbelt store carries Samson Climbing Rope, Blue Streak. I have asked for a quote on 120' of 1/2" 8100 lbs Tensile test line. I am wondering just what the strength loss is as it ages, is exposed to the Sun, temperature and any other degrading factors? How do you know when it is time to renew??

How do you folks cut and seal the ends of your rope? This company offers a rope burner, and rope counter. Also are there any threads on making your own rope eyes. I have done this successfully for nautical lines in the past.

MasterBlaster,

Thanks for the links, I will read them as soon as I can. What is the normal charge per hour for the work you do? I did not feel I can charge much when I would not make a pimple on a real Arborist rear end.

I cannot tell you how good it is to talk with you folks, and if I can get to a point where I may be able to perform on at least a junior level, I may truly try to get some work in the field. I currently work in the hydraulic distribution business. Please E-Mail me if any of you ever have a hydraulic application as I have designed many fluid drives for machinery. I will not charge for the design work, but hope if you decide to go through with the project, you would at least buy the first order from the company I work for Scott Industrial Systems. We have a website, www.scottindustrialsystems.com.

We can offer small power units that could drive a winch with a brake that possibly could be used to put the worker in the tree and back down under highly controlled conditions. If any of you have an interest, I could give you some ideas to kick around.

Best regards,
If only we had a sky hook, but then, what fun would that be??

 

[MasterBlaster]

Tree climber's r nuts, Terry. I would stick with the hydraulics gig.

Ya know?