New Husqvarna hand tools
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I coat my Fiskars blade with oil - 50:1. If I had Amsoil, I'd probably coat it 200:1.
Just sayin'
Philbert
Just sayin'
Philbert
I love my new 3.5 lb Council Tools axe, but use it as a cutting tool or for splitting small wood bits. About cheapie mauls, after I got a Mueller 6.6 lb maul and saw how efficient it was at splitting wood, I copied its head shape, as possible, to a couple of Bradlees-special cheapie mauls.
IOW, took a disc grinder and made their faces as flat as possible behind the edge, and gave them an edge. Night-and-day difference.
Seems to me, when some folks compare "mauls" to some other tool for splitting wood, it's a straw-man thing. For a "maul" they look to a $20 cheapie instrument of torture. So of course their new improved widget is far superior.
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Well..................I'm afraid the closed minded person continues to be yourself.
I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make. Seems like you are once again reinforcing those that I've made. You are in fact the one who doesn't get it. Not all of us want to join the fiskars collective. The ongoing suggestion that our choosing to use other splitting tools is a flawed decision because we lack the understanding or technique to use your wonder axe is both pompous and CONDESCENDING. It is beyond condescending of you to suggest that people, or "newbies" who don't "heed the advice" of experienced fiskars users are close minded. That's flat out insulting. Just because it took 4 cords of wood for you to figure out how to use the thing doesn't mean everyone else is on the same slow learning curve.
But why is this important to you? I really don't understand why you can't accept that other people prefer to use a different tool. Is it somehow important that we all like the same tool that you do? Does the fact that some people don't like fiskars detract from your ownership experience? I don't think my not liking fiskars has any effect on your woodpile, does it?
Again, enjoy the tool you like best. And allow the rest of us to do the same.
Exactly. I'll be getting another Council for driving wedges in small trees. A husky 6.6lb maul will probably be my next splitting tool.
You are the one bashing the people who say that there is a technique to using Fiskars. And you are the one who is grouping any Fiskars ADVOCATE in with the "drink the cool aid" sheeple. And you've continued to do so through this thread, while calling anyone who disagrees with you closed minded and condescending.
Nobody said you personally lack the understanding to use a Fiskars. A little touchy, are we?
Interesting, I've got a slow learning curve, but there I thought there isn't one???? Insulting, you say....
I could could care less what tool you or anyone else uses. And I've stated that multiple times. It all comes down to what you are splitting and your personal preference.
Oh and let me guess, @spike60 probably makes a $3 profit for selling a Fiskars and a $50 profit selling "traditional" axes/mauls at his shop. Gee, which one do you think he prefers....
And if Fiskars and their owners are all so stupid then why did you create this thread to drum up sales of their clone? Heck, why even stock these products?
And if Fiskars and their owners are all so stupid then why did you create this thread to drum up sales of their clone? Heck, why even stock these products?
If he likes traditional tools, then quit bashing those who have had excellent results with non traditional ones.
And that's a figure of speech, nothing more.
spike60
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Look. Your entire argument continues to collapse with each additional post that you make. So, let's just put an end to this before it goes crazy.
I haven't said anything negative about fiskars. I haven't said that they don't work. I've only said that I don't like them. I haven't said that anyone should use the tools that I like. I've acknowledged that plenty of guys do like fiskars and I've applauded that fact. This should be about splitting wood, and all of these tools will get the job done. And we're all free to pick the tools we prefer.
I haven't bashed anyone for saying that there is a technique to using a fiskars. As each of these tools are different, the techniques for using them will of course vary. I have NOT grouped every fiskars advocate in the Kool aid group.
My central argument has been with those who are unable to accept that a decision to use different tools is somehow flawed because they, in your own words, fail to "heed the advice" of enlightened souls such as yourself. Those who are apparently disturbed by guys who might prefer to split wood with something other than a fiskars. I'll continue to stand by that statement.
I do agree 100% with your last sentence: "it all comes down to what you are splitting and your personal preference."
And your "guess" was way off. I make the same money on the Huskys as on the Fiskars.
And you have misinterpreted what I've been trying to say. I'm through with this.
There are some great products out there and some crappy ones. To each their own.
And I didn't say Husky vs Fiskars. I said Fiskars vs traditional.
There are some great products out there and some crappy ones. To each their own.
And I didn't say Husky vs Fiskars. I said Fiskars vs traditional.
The new line from Husqvarna is nice and well made, and the head is actually designed for driving wedges whereas the Fiskars is not. Regretfully up here the margin on the S2800 changed drastically (ooops marketing department..........again!!)
Its all about the individual and the individual market.
Now some really cool hot sellers from Husky are the new toy blower, trimmer, and hedge trimmer. Christmas is coming time to stock up.
Then again most likely some clowns on here probably don't like toys either.
Its all about the individual and the individual market.
Now some really cool hot sellers from Husky are the new toy blower, trimmer, and hedge trimmer. Christmas is coming time to stock up.
Then again most likely some clowns on here probably don't like toys either.
Svk,
I don't know you but i have met Spike and know many members here who spend a lot of time with him. They can, to a man attest to the fact he is not a "money first" guy and would never come here to peddle snake oil. I realize this is a forum, but quite a few of us are friends in real life too. Its a shame this thread has gotten personal.
Never said he was peddling snake oil.
I had also received good recommendations of him from a mutual friend. Upstate NY is my second home, lived there longer than any place other than MN. I'm out there several times a year and had planned to make it to his shop as I do want a new Husky some time soon. But after today I doubt I'll be taking exit 19 for any reason other than to grab a bite to eat in Kingston.
Btw over the last couple of years I've also referred several potential saw shoppers to him based on his membership here. Guess I can find someone else for future referrals.
Sorry but my time is too valuable to drive 60 miles each way plus pay tolls to visit a guy who has already made an unfavorable impression on me.
Hey, has anyone seen these?
I hear they are new!
Philbert
I hear they are new!
Philbert
Naw...anybody worth a frogs snot would only use a Stihl axe. Hoosvarny stuff is fer girls and Sheilas that cant swing the real stuff.
(Sarcasm interjected purely for comedic purposes)
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spike60
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Thanks for the kind words Angelo. I'd normally not engage in such a useless scrap like that for as long as I did. In this case I just decided I'd stand my ground; probably because I started the thread.
These fiskars debates have happened before here. Most guys who have them are cool. But there is a vocal minority of fiskars owners who cross the line from merely recommending something to finding fault with guys who prefer to use other tools.
Now that hostilities have concluded.........
I sell several differnt brands of mauls. The fiskars, the Husky wood handled stuff, and now I suppose their new stuff. I also have two brands of the basic cheapie mauls. The typical 8lb yellow handle maul. And a 6lb or there abouts maul. (I actually like that thing) The cheap ones sell for $30, and the pricey stuff is $70. When people ask what I like, I say that I like the old fashioned wood stuff, but they all work. But there's a choice of tools here, and customers are free to make their own decisions.
One thing that I think has changed is that it's real hard to find cheap mauls with wooden handles. Most all of them have plastic handles these days. So, that leaves the old style hand forged stuff as the only option for those of us who still prefer wood handles.
I think that part of the fiskars mystique is the greater speed that can be obtained with a splitting axe, vs the traditional heavier mauls. They were the first to really capitalize on that, and it does work. And many of the wood or plastic handle options out there offer the same principal. I always did better with a 6lb than I did with an 8lb. And those 16 pound all steel things were way too big for me. I think they were designed to promote rotator cuff surgery.
I recently put an old heavy axe head I had laying around on a 36" wood handle. Nice project and I've done some splitting with it. Good speed and good results (on straight grained wood), with less effort than I'd get with the basic yellow handle maul, yet not quite as good as with the wood handle Husky splitting axe. But whatever you use, they all burn the same in the stove.
These fiskars debates have happened before here. Most guys who have them are cool. But there is a vocal minority of fiskars owners who cross the line from merely recommending something to finding fault with guys who prefer to use other tools.
Now that hostilities have concluded.........
I sell several differnt brands of mauls. The fiskars, the Husky wood handled stuff, and now I suppose their new stuff. I also have two brands of the basic cheapie mauls. The typical 8lb yellow handle maul. And a 6lb or there abouts maul. (I actually like that thing) The cheap ones sell for $30, and the pricey stuff is $70. When people ask what I like, I say that I like the old fashioned wood stuff, but they all work. But there's a choice of tools here, and customers are free to make their own decisions.
One thing that I think has changed is that it's real hard to find cheap mauls with wooden handles. Most all of them have plastic handles these days. So, that leaves the old style hand forged stuff as the only option for those of us who still prefer wood handles.
I think that part of the fiskars mystique is the greater speed that can be obtained with a splitting axe, vs the traditional heavier mauls. They were the first to really capitalize on that, and it does work. And many of the wood or plastic handle options out there offer the same principal. I always did better with a 6lb than I did with an 8lb. And those 16 pound all steel things were way too big for me. I think they were designed to promote rotator cuff surgery.
I recently put an old heavy axe head I had laying around on a 36" wood handle. Nice project and I've done some splitting with it. Good speed and good results (on straight grained wood), with less effort than I'd get with the basic yellow handle maul, yet not quite as good as with the wood handle Husky splitting axe. But whatever you use, they all burn the same in the stove.
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