hell man, i had no complaints about my 461 beside vibrations lol mine was ported and tune to 16k. the vibrations at that tune must be a high pitch that bothered me as i can get away with running a 660 and not be bothered by it. run the 461 and i can feel it half way up to my elbow. if you read the thread you will see i only reported findings by a local dealer in the failures he has been finding with them. also the fact that there are alot of dead 461's in logging camps here. were there alot of dead 460's too? i'm not sure as i didn't log back then. i'll tell you right now, i like both stihl and husky. 372's are lasting better for guys then the 461. only put 175-180 tanks through mine before i traded it away so i can only go by other guys close to me experiences. i only traded it cause i knew i wasn't gonna use it anymore and it was worth as much as it ever will be. my honest opinion is that the 066/660 might just be the best saw ever made when it comes to reliability and performance (ported) in the job i do. i've hopped around alot between many models and have went back to the 390 husky which is what i started with. they will beat a 660 in everything except reliability of course. there are things i like about both and i wish they could be combined to make the ultimate saw.