new ropes?

[TreEmergencyB]

im ordering some new stuff this week and i wanted a little input

im either gonna get a XTC Phenix climbing line or a samson ArborMaster
and i want to buy a 50' length of prussic cord so ill have it for awhile

not sure whether to go with the 8 or 10mm be line or the technora 8mm which is a bit cheaper

so i was wondering if anyone has any combos of this and how it works or if you think your line/prussic set up is better fill me in on why
thanks

 

[canopyboy]

Instead of 50ft. of one type of tress cord......but lesser amounts of several kinds and see what you like best.

:agree2:

 

[Nailsbeats]

I would feel confident buying 50' of the 8mm Beeline to work on anything. I prefer it over the 10mm, they are constructed differently and the 8mm has a higher breaking strength rating and it will take more heat.

8mm Beeline has a heat resistant Vectran core and a 75% Technora/25% Polyester jacket. Breaking strength is 8000 lbs.

10mm Beeline has a non heat resistant polyester core and a 50% Technora/50% Polyester jacket. Breaking strength is 7500 lbs.

 

[treeoperations]

id go the arbormaster over the xtc as its lighter.

buy smaller amounts of different rope to use as prussik

and i wouldnt worry to much about the heat ratings and the breaking load as there is no way your ever going to get it near the limits if your being considerate to your gear.

 

[canopyboy]

Any prussik cord will be adequate, it's a question of which you like the feel of the best when climbing. I use 8mm Bee Line and like it. I think I would only use the 10mm for things other than tress cord (like a foot loop, etc) since I find the larger diameter doesn't grab the rope that well in a VT/XT setup. I know some people don't like Bee Line and prefer Icetail or HRC instead.

If you're already sure you like 8mm Bee Line, 50' sounds like a great idea - although it ain't cheap (I'm sure you know). Otherwise I'd grab 5 or 10 feet of each and give 'em a try. Once you find the one you like best, grab extra on your next order.

I haven't used either of the climbing ropes you're looking at, so I can't say how Bee Line works with them.

 

[TreEmergencyB]

ind i wouldnt worry to much about the heat ratings and the breaking load as there is no way your ever going to get it near the limits if your being considerate to your gear.

i was wondering about that does it really matter what your prussic cord melts at if your climbing line will melt way before right?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

By prussic cord, do you wan it for your tress hitch, or for a prussic loop to footlock with?

For my VT I use a 3/8 double braid that is around $0.40 a foot. I go through maybe one a month.

Assume you use 18 inches of cord to tie a new hitch, including waste from trimming your terminals. (just for easy math) At $1.90 per foot, you will get 3 hitches out of the common fiber cordage for the price of one foot of the high tech fiber cord.

Since I tend to burn through my hitches, I was pretty excited when they came out with the high temp fiber lines. After using various makes over around a year I have not found one of which the performance i like. The lay of the rope gets "mushy" and flattens out after less then a week of regular use. So I went back to the tried and true Samson Stable Braid.

 

[TreEmergencyB]

ima use it for my tress cord but i was wondering how it would work for a footlockin prussic also i dont foot lock now but i am planning on practicing it so i can use it when usefull to make myself better in all ways

 

[canopyboy]

i was wondering about that does it really matter what your prussic cord melts at if your climbing line will melt way before right?

Well, the same part of the prussic cord is in contact with a constantly changing piece of climbing line. So your prussic cord will get much hotter where it is contacting your climbing rope as the heat builds up on it. And it stays hot while be rubbed apart by the sliding climbing rope, causing regular cordage to deteriorate much quicker than a high temp prussic cord.

However, I think if you don't do long, quick descents on your hitch where you build up a lot heat it's not as big of a deal. And like JPS said, some people just don't like the newer high temp cords as much. The others are cheaper, so if you burn through them it's not a big deal to just tie a new one.

 

[tree md]

I use regular cordage... 3/8" Sailnet yacht braid. On a descent of any length I use my feet to take a large percentage of the load off of my VT. It greatly increases the life of the cord and reduces hand work on the hitch.

I'd rep ya but I got to spread some around first. Looking good TreeCo!

 

[Tree Pig]

I use regular cordage... 3/8" Sailnet yacht braid. On a descent of any length I use my feet to take a large percentage of the load off of my VT. It greatly increases the life of the cord and reduces hand work on the hitch.

Yeah but you look so cool when you come smoking down, melting your cord while the neighborhood is out watching, chicks dig it, plus its fun its almost worth buying new cord.

 

[canopyboy]

chicks dig it

'nuff said.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I wear $200 boots, I'd rather switch out the $3.00 cord regularly.

 

[canopyboy]

I wear $200 boots, I'd rather switch out the $3.00 cord regularly.

That's a serious chainsaw lanyard.....