New Splitter...Hydralic question for conveyor?

[Oly's Stump]

I decided to go back into the firewood business. I purchased a splitter with lift from Northern. It has a 9 hp Honda with a 9 gallon hydro tank. I also picked up an old 23' farm conveyor and wanted to use that for piling and loading trucks. The conveyor did run off an electric motor but the farmer had taken it off. I don't have electric in my yard that I rent but I do have a generator. I would rather run the conveyor off my splitter if possible. I'm not a hydro guy and wanted to know if this is possible and what parts I need to purchase (hydro motor, hoses, control valves, quick attach, sizes, ect). I have included some photos. Please help? Thanks!

 

[Oly's Stump]

Additional photos...

 

[B-Edwards]

I think I would put a gas engine on it.. I say this because you already seem to be set up for it and I think it would be cheaper than a hydro motor and the strain it would put on your splitters sytem in slow down of both operations. . Maybe so it can be taken off easy for winter storage and keep crackheads from stealing it.

 

[ericjeeper]

Yeppers/

I would bolt me an 8 horse horizontal shaft engine on it and be good to go.
I am guessing eight.. hell it might take a 3 horse or a 20.. who knows.. But odds are it had a 3 horse electric so it would draw less than enough current to max out an extension cord,
Got an old go kart or mini bike handy? Five horse might be the perfect ticket.
You will have fortune in hydraulic motors and hoses plus a trip hazard.

 

[Patrick62]

anything....

hy·drau·lic /haɪˈdrɔlɪk, -ˈdrɒlɪk
–adjective
1. operated by, moved by, or employing water or other liquids in motion.
2. operated by the pressure created by forcing water, oil, or another liquid
through a comparatively narrow pipe or orifice.
3. of or pertaining to water or other liquids in motion.
4. of or pertaining to hydraulics.

I could not resist....

As for the conveyor, I am with the idea of a gas engine on it. Simpler. Cheaper.
Anything from 3hp on up would pull it just fine. Use what you can find!

-Pat

 

[SWI Don]

I would suggest an engine with a 5 to 6:1 gear reduction. Wild guess says it had a 1740 rpm inducton motor on it to run full speed. You probably don't need it near that fast. Besides having to wait when you are done for the last pieces to get off the conveyor you probably dont need it booking along very fast.

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_300_300
is an example by your favorite brand from your favorite engine source.

If you want to run it as fast as the electric propably was there are 2:1 reduction engines also.

Don

 

[leon]

a splitting we will go

I decided to go back into the firewood business. I purchased a splitter with lift from Northern. It has a 9 hp Honda with a 9 gallon hydro tank. I also picked up an old 23' farm conveyor and wanted to use that for piling and loading trucks. The conveyor did run off an electric motor but the farmer had taken it off. I don't have electric in my yard that I rent but I do have a generator. I would rather run the conveyor off my splitter if possible. I'm not a hydro guy and wanted to know if this is possible and what parts I need to purchase (hydro motor, hoses, control valves, quick attach, sizes, ect). I have included some photos. Please help? Thanks!

Put the 110 volt motor back in it with the drive pulley for same!-no gearbox just belt drive to the head end or tail end depending on the set up. besied the gasoline mess why worry about gumming the carb or jets unless you are willing to tolerate a small gas engine with an integral gear box to drive the conveyor-which is simply done by sizing the proper belt pulleys etc. remember to use a large diameter drive pulley asthe smaller the driven pulley the faster the output speed.

I would go to the nearest dealer for the brand of conveyor and they can get you a complete motor and pulley set up for it if the manufacturer of the conveyor is known.

If you used a hydraulic set up it would require much work to size and install as you would be starting from scatch and also taking oil away from the splitter-dont forget that part.

 

[mga]

so, if you use a gas engine...what kind of clutch are you going to use?

 

[Patrick62]

Clutch?

What in the world for?

The only "clutch" it needs is a v-belt. If it jams then the belt slips.
pick your pulleys so that the engine is running at 1800. Less than 100 FPM is just fine, and plenty fast.

I can't wait until I have a "real" conveyor. I am struggling with a 12 ft. beast.

-Pat

 

[mga]

....so you're not trying to pull start the whole load?

 

[Oly's Stump]

I was thinking the same thing about needing a clutch. You guys talked me into it and I am going the gas motor route. No trouble finding a motor. Now I just have to find the right pully belt set up and where can I buy them.

 

[ASEMASTER]

clutch

in picture 9 it shows a v pulley ,mount your engine and a same size pulley to it . then use a spring loaded of center cam idler for your clutch.

 

[mysawmyrules]

It looks like your conveyor has a jackshaft that is giving it even more torque so so your motor needs are going to be even less. We had a bale coveyor with a five horse electric ,70' and capable of having 10 or more bales on it. If you have a good generator it wouldn't take much anps to turn it unless you can get it stacked right up with wood. We coverted all but one of our augers to electric and then maintain one motor instead of many and as what was mentioned earlier crack heads like gas motors our electrics havn't been stolen yet. But whatever you have available trumps anything but I wouldn't condem a electric option.

 

[ericjeeper]

He would have to use a generator

To get power. I would bet he can run a gas engine direct and use a lot less fuel. I too would use an idler and a lever That way the motor can be started independently of running the whole machine.
Could always use a chain drive setup and a mini bike or go cart clutch. His options are endless.

 

[Patrick62]

Starting the mutha

There are two that I put together. No clutches.
1 is 22 ft. long, the other is my 12 ft.

Slosh some suds in the fuel tank, Set the choke and throttle.
Yank. Conveyor moves about 3 inches. With more vigorYANK! Conveyor moves a couple of feet as the engine fired once. Release the choke, yard it out again, and what is that funny noise? It is running? Glory be!

The extra load is minimal, and starting isn't a issue. If it was real bad I would slip the belt off the engine and warm it up. Then stick it back on.

My conveyor is running a fairly worn out 5hp briggs flathead. Pulse-a-jet carb and all, it starts easily. Smokes a bit! :help:

Now.... if'n a guy wanted to do the right thing... he'd put one of those real fancy mini-bike Centrifical clutches like you gots on yore saw...:hmm3grin2orange:

-Pat

 

[drmiller100]

from the pump, before the splitter control valve, put one of these.
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007092318442102&item=9-4169-8&catname=hydraulic

the controlled flow port goes to the conveyor, the "excess" oil goes to the splitter control.

there are 2 ports on a hydraulic motor. hook the "controlled port" to one port, and connect the other to the return that goes back to teh tank on the back side of the splitter control valve.
if you get the ports backwards, the motor will run backwards, and you just switch them.

the math says a 25 foot conveyor lifting 12 feet vertical with 200 pounds of wood on the conveyor at any time requires under 1 horsepower.

picking the hydraulic motor is the tricky part. I have mine assembled, but haven't tried it yet as I am working out other bugs on my processor.

 

[Ford's Lawncare]

I have a 14' chain conveyor for my wood. I have a 4 horse tecumseh horizontal on it-works great. If you were to run it off your splitter, you would need a two way valve, a hydraulic motor, and hydraulic line(which is not cheap)I am going to guess this might cost $300 depending on what you can get, and how much line you need. If you do use a gas engine, make sure you have the proper gear reduction if you don't already. Hope it helps!

 

[Oly's Stump]

I have my conveyor up and running. It works great! I went with the 5.5 hp Honda gear reduction motor. Purchased it new at Northern Tool. Found the right chain sproket and went with a chain drive. StARTS ON FIRST PULL. I WANT TO THANK ALL YOU GUYS FOR THE HELP! I WILL GET SOME PHOTOS POSTED SOON! THANKS AGAIN! OLY