Agree with Rocky on this. I work for a govt organization as a contractor and have seen some of the dumbest, wasteful things it just blows my mind. When I was on a ship in the Navy, they used to throw tons of surplus stuff overboard (some of it new) just because it was easier than getting rid of it in port. I once saw them throw a brand new $80k valve overboard. Also, it probably doesn't help that the worst people are the ones that get the most publicity. For instance, I just got back from doing some business at city hall, and everyone there was very courteous and helpful (never mind the fact that I was there to get a permit for a yard sale!) but I didn't think anything of it. However, if someone were rude or given me a hard time, I would have been ranting about it for days. All in all though, I think the govt attracts a fair number of useless people, but there are good ones out there too. I have thought for some time that govt needs to go through a major change in the way it works. They don't need to trim the budget so much as change the way the budget is formulated. Anyone who has worked with govt knows that at the end of the fiscal year there is a scramble to spend all the money thats left over so as not to lose it next year. That's ludicrous. It's the culture that fosters this kind of thinking that needs to change. JMO, sorry for the rambling post.
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Agree with Rocky on this. I work for a govt organization as a contractor and have seen some of the dumbest, wasteful things it just blows my mind. When I was on a ship in the Navy, they used to throw tons of surplus stuff overboard (some of it new) just because it was easier than getting rid of it in port. I once saw them throw a brand new $80k valve overboard. Also, it probably doesn't help that the worst people are the ones that get the most publicity. For instance, I just got back from doing some business at city hall, and everyone there was very courteous and helpful (never mind the fact that I was there to get a permit for a yard sale!) but I didn't think anything of it. However, if someone were rude or given me a hard time, I would have been ranting about it for days. All in all though, I think the govt attracts a fair number of useless people, but there are good ones out there too. I have thought for some time that govt needs to go through a major change in the way it works. They don't need to trim the budget so much as change the way the budget is formulated. Anyone who has worked with govt knows that at the end of the fiscal year there is a scramble to spend all the money thats left over so as not to lose it next year. That's ludicrous. It's the culture that fosters this kind of thinking that needs to change. JMO, sorry for the rambling post.
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
Part of the problem is the union-managemnt format. Unions are set up to protect every worker, no matter how worthless they are. It takes endless record keeping and meetings to get the deadwood trimmed out, so no one wants to take the effort and grief associated.
Of course, we the public only see/remember the guys leaning on thier shovels every time we go by.
I would assume Burnhams line of work, as with firefighters attracts a more proffesional bread of person.
Don't get too hard on Xtream, he's in the Army and knows a lot about lazy, nogood, layabout, goldbricks.
Of course, we the public only see/remember the guys leaning on thier shovels every time we go by.
I would assume Burnhams line of work, as with firefighters attracts a more proffesional bread of person.
Don't get too hard on Xtream, he's in the Army and knows a lot about lazy, nogood, layabout, goldbricks.
Rob Murphy
ArboristSite Operative
One handed
I heard that the were two accidents where UK climbers got kickback into the neck. It was two do with one handed use. Yuo can only coverup so much.
pants
ive moved up from a medium to large type c....the mediums kept ripping in the crotch....so i now look like a clown....big down point about the larger size is when you sweat the material is looser so slaps around more.....
i like the feeling of security if it all goes wrong....even if its just my legs
jamie
ive moved up from a medium to large type c....the mediums kept ripping in the crotch....so i now look like a clown....big down point about the larger size is when you sweat the material is looser so slaps around more.....
i like the feeling of security if it all goes wrong....even if its just my legs
jamie
ROLLACOSTA
Addicted to ArboristSite
ROB weve had all types of accidents overhere like you say you cant cover up everything but i would bet that a large proportion of injurys are cuts to legs:
Tom Dunlap
Addicted to ArboristSite
INstead of focusing on employee ambition or motivation, look at the implications of education. It might be a case where the inspector needs to be educated about the industry regulations. Go back into the archives and read all of the moaning about stupid people in the tree business. Wasn't there a thread recently about educating groundies?
Until we know what regulation is being cited, we have no clue whether the citation is valid.
In some places inspectors are using the logging standard with arbos. As a result of the work that TCIA has done to educate the OSHA inspectors those citations have been reduced. This is a place where non-members have benefited from the dues paying members of TCIA. I'm one of those riding on the shirt tails. I haven't been a NAA/TCIA member for quite a while.
There will be a time in the near future that Americans will be required to wear leg protection any time that a chain saw is used. Including in the trees.
Tom
Until we know what regulation is being cited, we have no clue whether the citation is valid.
In some places inspectors are using the logging standard with arbos. As a result of the work that TCIA has done to educate the OSHA inspectors those citations have been reduced. This is a place where non-members have benefited from the dues paying members of TCIA. I'm one of those riding on the shirt tails. I haven't been a NAA/TCIA member for quite a while.
There will be a time in the near future that Americans will be required to wear leg protection any time that a chain saw is used. Including in the trees.
Tom
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
How would a sole proprietor with no employees respond to an inspector entering his jobsite?
Rob Murphy
ArboristSite Operative
Re: pants
Yeh...I have a pair like that too..Its a 'cool' look though ...just carry a SK8 board
Tom Dunlap
Addicted to ArboristSite
John,
That is one that would be good to run by OSHA from a phone booth. I could see an inspector writing a citation and leaving you to sort out the mess. Even if the fine went away in the end it would be a waste of production time.
Does anyone know of this happening?
Tom
That is one that would be good to run by OSHA from a phone booth. I could see an inspector writing a citation and leaving you to sort out the mess. Even if the fine went away in the end it would be a waste of production time.
Does anyone know of this happening?
Tom
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Great. More rules and regs.
Whut an awesome concept.
Tom Dunlap
Addicted to ArboristSite
Be glad that the regs will come out of the ANSI committee and not from OSHA Butch.
Does anyone else know of any in-tree chainsaw cuts? The only one's that I know of first hand, so to speak, are nips to fingers. Neither that serious. Less than a dozen stiiches to skin, no meat cuts. Oh...knock on wood, I've never gotten cut from a running chain saw.
Tom
Does anyone else know of any in-tree chainsaw cuts? The only one's that I know of first hand, so to speak, are nips to fingers. Neither that serious. Less than a dozen stiiches to skin, no meat cuts. Oh...knock on wood, I've never gotten cut from a running chain saw.
Tom
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Most cuts incured by climbers are probably from their handsaws, I'd bet. I know thats the case with me... two chainsaw cuts on the ground, none in the tree.
But, that could change tomorrow...
But, that could change tomorrow...
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
All the ones I know of are from (Pros that were hurt) bumping a sharp cutter while moving around in the tree. I think that is what happened to Chad last year in VA. I've done that a number of times.
I do know of one idiot who was standing aon a small silvermaple branch, running a bigger saw with a slack climbing line and no other point of contact.
The small limb he was one broke and his watch saved the function in his hand. Needed some reconstructive surgury though.
I do know of one idiot who was standing aon a small silvermaple branch, running a bigger saw with a slack climbing line and no other point of contact.
The small limb he was one broke and his watch saved the function in his hand. Needed some reconstructive surgury though.
i totally agree with rocky,i really wonder who is talking safety sometimes i wear chainsaw pants all day everyday regardless climbing or not its when you have been in the game a while that you really need to be consious
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
I know 5 or 6 people who wear sawpants all the time they are working.
this is oregon OSHA, who apparently have their own rules in addition to federal. Yes we are TCIA members and are arguing our case, however ( and i don't have a regulation # at this point) apparently this has been an Oregon OSHA rule since 1999 specifically for arbos working in trees. News to us, we have always followed ansi Z-133 as a standard as do every other respctable oregon tree company i know of, and I've never seen or heard of anyone wearing leg protection while climbing because it was required. I know of some climbers that do out of preference, but no one I've talked to was even aware of the state regulations. some other new things : no chipping unless at least TWO people ON THE GROUND in VISUAL CONTACT. I don't know about you guys, but when i'm on a two man crew i expect the brush to disappear as i work the tree, but no more, now i can look forward to doing a massive removal or prune job with chaps or saw pants on in the heat of summer and coming down to a mountain of brush to cleanup. Or maybe if it's in a tight area I'll just come down out of the tree to help chip five or six times. Or maybe it will just have to be a three man crew for a job that could heve easily been handled by two. We also have to wear Hi Vis orange shirts or reflective vests whenever working within10' of a road, any road , quiet neighborhood cul-de-sacs included. NO HAULING UP OF ANY GEAR WITH YOUR CLIMBING LINE, a second line SHALL be installed to send up any equipment including, but not limited to, climbing saw, pole pruner, block or pulley, etc. etc. What all comes of this remains to be seen, but oregon arborists beware.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
OSHA can bite my butt!
I mean that in a nice way!
:angel:
I am my own OSHA.
I mean that in a nice way!
:angel:
I am my own OSHA.
Rob Murphy
ArboristSite Operative
Heat exhaustion
I had a guy on my crew drop from heat stroke one summer...that would be a extra danger.General exhaustion would constitute a danger .
WARNING..Wearing saftey gear does not nessisarily make you safe.Just ask anyone working near me
I had a guy on my crew drop from heat stroke one summer...that would be a extra danger.General exhaustion would constitute a danger .
WARNING..Wearing saftey gear does not nessisarily make you safe.Just ask anyone working near me
The Oregon rules scream union tree trimming. The union would have the political skills and free time to make it happen. The union was pushing for 3 man crews when I was part of it. They said it was for safety, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it would increase their dues by 1/3. Also the line to pull up gear sounds like a lineman thing, and most union reps representing the tree trimmers were linemen.
I can live with high vis orange t-shirts and chainsaw pants. The pull line and 2 guys at the chipper is horsecrap.
I can live with high vis orange t-shirts and chainsaw pants. The pull line and 2 guys at the chipper is horsecrap.
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