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seem like if u guys worked at it u could train that saw to put out 2bys instead of chips. they bout the same size.
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dbabcock
Hi Tech Redneck
Film and Digital
While most lowend, consumer grade, snapshot-type digital cameras are not nearly as versatile as even the lowest grade film SLR, once you get out of toys r us land and into a higher end digital SLR, the differences in features are suprisingly slight. The real issue here is not one of film versus digital, but of what the vast majority of people want to do with their cameras. Most people just want the memories, not the art. There is nothing wrong with this initially, but once you start asking a Sony Mavica to start producing film-like picture quality over a wide range of conditions (such as freezing fast action, controlling depth of field or shooting more than about 2 frames per second of high resolution sequenced stills), you'll be outside the envelope of what the camera was designed to do.
The price of entry into a digital equivalent of a full-featured film SLR is indeed high, comparitively speaking, but for those who are used to having the adjustability and versatility of the film cameras that they've grown accustomed to, the price difference may be acceptable. The tradeoffs will come in the form of having to drag around a bag full of more application specific lenses and accessories as well as potentially putting an expensive camera in harms way ( and also, getting grilled for half an hour at customs when they see that you're a private citizen with more elctronics in your bag than the CIA).
Prices are continuously coming down. My first digital SLR cost me 10 grand, and that was only five years ago. Today, you can get better cameras for 2. In general, fixed lens cameras on the low end will eventually disappoint, if you start asking them to do anything more than taking pictures of your cat sleeping or the kids sitting on the front stoop. Building versatility into any camera will ultimately result in compromises. My friend just got a "prosumer" camera and was touting the 10X optical zoom that it featured. We tried it out and even he was severely disappointed at the results. Later, he found out that the camera manufacturer had adapted a camcorder zoom lens to cut costs (you can afford many more optical compromises with moving pictures than stills).
Stay away from cameras that have those preprogrammed sybols that denote things like landscape, night time and portrait modes. Redeye reduction flashes are merely bandaids for the flash being too close to the lens. Above all, learn the simple rules that are governed by basic common sense and rudimentary junior high school physics. You'd be very surprised what a pro can do with an entry level camera under controlled conditions. Once he or she went beyond those conditions, however, they'd know when to quit and out would come the big guns.
Finally, the new digital SLR's handle and work just like their film cousins. My digitals have all of the features that my film SLR's have. Their ISO range isn't as much, but the differences that make them digital are so trivial that if I handed my D1 or D1X to someone who had always used an F5 film camera and had never even heard of digital, the only time they'd be surprised was when I had to take the Microdrive out of it instead of the film. Same lenses, adjustments, speed and features.
Don't get me wrong, the little guys have their place. We have several small digital cameras that we use for outdoor activities like snowmobiling and such. They're great for preserving the moment, but you won't freeze wood chips coming off of a full race 084 under cloudy conditions from 30 feet either. Everything has it's place.
While most lowend, consumer grade, snapshot-type digital cameras are not nearly as versatile as even the lowest grade film SLR, once you get out of toys r us land and into a higher end digital SLR, the differences in features are suprisingly slight. The real issue here is not one of film versus digital, but of what the vast majority of people want to do with their cameras. Most people just want the memories, not the art. There is nothing wrong with this initially, but once you start asking a Sony Mavica to start producing film-like picture quality over a wide range of conditions (such as freezing fast action, controlling depth of field or shooting more than about 2 frames per second of high resolution sequenced stills), you'll be outside the envelope of what the camera was designed to do.
The price of entry into a digital equivalent of a full-featured film SLR is indeed high, comparitively speaking, but for those who are used to having the adjustability and versatility of the film cameras that they've grown accustomed to, the price difference may be acceptable. The tradeoffs will come in the form of having to drag around a bag full of more application specific lenses and accessories as well as potentially putting an expensive camera in harms way ( and also, getting grilled for half an hour at customs when they see that you're a private citizen with more elctronics in your bag than the CIA).
Prices are continuously coming down. My first digital SLR cost me 10 grand, and that was only five years ago. Today, you can get better cameras for 2. In general, fixed lens cameras on the low end will eventually disappoint, if you start asking them to do anything more than taking pictures of your cat sleeping or the kids sitting on the front stoop. Building versatility into any camera will ultimately result in compromises. My friend just got a "prosumer" camera and was touting the 10X optical zoom that it featured. We tried it out and even he was severely disappointed at the results. Later, he found out that the camera manufacturer had adapted a camcorder zoom lens to cut costs (you can afford many more optical compromises with moving pictures than stills).
Stay away from cameras that have those preprogrammed sybols that denote things like landscape, night time and portrait modes. Redeye reduction flashes are merely bandaids for the flash being too close to the lens. Above all, learn the simple rules that are governed by basic common sense and rudimentary junior high school physics. You'd be very surprised what a pro can do with an entry level camera under controlled conditions. Once he or she went beyond those conditions, however, they'd know when to quit and out would come the big guns.
Finally, the new digital SLR's handle and work just like their film cousins. My digitals have all of the features that my film SLR's have. Their ISO range isn't as much, but the differences that make them digital are so trivial that if I handed my D1 or D1X to someone who had always used an F5 film camera and had never even heard of digital, the only time they'd be surprised was when I had to take the Microdrive out of it instead of the film. Same lenses, adjustments, speed and features.
Don't get me wrong, the little guys have their place. We have several small digital cameras that we use for outdoor activities like snowmobiling and such. They're great for preserving the moment, but you won't freeze wood chips coming off of a full race 084 under cloudy conditions from 30 feet either. Everything has it's place.
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Hi Doug, I think its about time you upgraded cameras. Your D1 is now obsolete, however it may fit my requirements.
So lets make a trade ok? I will send you a brandnew 088 for the D1. Call me and we will make a deal.
John
So lets make a trade ok? I will send you a brandnew 088 for the D1. Call me and we will make a deal.
John
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Glad to see some pictures Gypo. I will have a bunch soon as well. Except mine are clear, and from the 50 buck point and shoot Amanda borrowed from Robert. She is sending me them soon.
dbabcock
Hi Tech Redneck
I think you may be onto something about my need to upgrade, John. Since I have the D1X, I may want to get rid of these two units with the lenses as shown. I don't need an 088, but I might consider trading you what you see here for, say, your Dodge Ram truck and the skidder. Think it over; I think it's a good deal for you.
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Sure Doug, thats not a problem. Send them both and I will tow the Dodge behind the skidder, all the way to Manchester,thru forest and field. I should be able to get some good pictures along the way, such as when I go to clear customs.
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Here's another picture of the Pred.
John
John
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
A Geffardized 046 cutting thru an Alder.
John
John
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Gypo, your shutter speed is way to slow...All the pics you took are after the cut; chips are still flying but the slab is on the ground. You used to faster than that !!!
Beavergirl
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Gypo, is Doug really your friend?
GYPO, Do not do the deal with Babcock!
I cannot be specific; therefore I’m going to hazard a guess. The big lens is one of the very pricey 400mm, 500mm or 600mm ED AF-S Nikkors (5-7.5k$). Very nice if you’re a sports or nature photographer, and there is a great deal of distance between you and your subject. The applications for this lens are very limited. Sure you can always make it work but why?
To make matters worse, he goes on and on about your needing fill flash. I didn’t see one offered except the inherent flash in the D1. How is that puny flash going to help you with a super telephoto???
Hey, it’s not all bad. The bodies are quite excellent. The lens shade on the D1 dictates its lens has moderate wide-angle capability in the 28-35mm range and might zoom upward beyond 150mm. Again, just guessing from the picture. He really should have listed all the components in a proper prospectus.
Here’s how I’d counter offer.
Tell him to keep the super telephoto and use it for a plumb. And substitute for it, the following lenses:
20-35mm AF-S Nikkor wide angle zoom. Excellent for all around landscape photo, close up, party shots to make sure everyone gets their mug in there, and this highly prized lens is in every photo journalists Lowe-Pro Bag.
80-200mm AF-S Nikkor short telephoto zoom. Excellent moderate telephoto for action, and landscape,
The above extends the envelop of the lens already on the D1 if I surmise correctly that it falls betwen 20mm and 200mm. Why have 2 bodies with equal lenses??
200mm Micro Nikkor AF, the best lens for close up photo and even has 1:1 magnification built in. Something previous manual focus Nikkors did not. The 200 mm allows you the greatest distance from your subject, although it’s only 5 inches away. In the close up world this is titanic. This would be a windfall for those close up shots of chainsaw internal modifications.
Let’s move to the flash. The F5 doesn’t have an internal flash. And since I know he has at least 2 of these, tell him to give up one of those Metz 60CT-4 flash systems with dedicated modules for the F5 and D1. Doug wants 5 frames per second shooting with excellent lighting? This is one of the few systems, which will accomplish this. For those hot tub party shots, the D1 flash will suffice.
If you proceed with his initial offer unchallenged, you’re going to develop really hateful violent thoughts for giving him a great truck and skidder for tools, which need a lot of other accoutrements to make them user friendly.
Now he might get ornery and won’t move on the super telephoto, so this is our fall back position. Gitzo 420 tripod, Arca Swiss B1 monoball, and a Lowe Pro Super Trekker AW backpack. You’re not going to want to handhold that tree trunk all day.
He’s trying to hoodwink you into thinking all his junk will instantly propel your photos into the photo stock agencies of the world, while to the initiate, pro Nikon Bodies are a work in progress to figure out, and once you have the mechanics down, placing them into practice with pleasing results is entirely another gauntlet of disappointment. Certainly achievable but it’s not so wham bam thank you maam, get me a 10k camera and New York here I am. I made a rhyme. LOL!
Personally I thought the pictures you took were just fine, after all he could have arranged for that missy prissy Shelly G to come down from Seattle and be the Photojournalist. Where was she when we needed her ???
C-
GYPO, Do not do the deal with Babcock!
I cannot be specific; therefore I’m going to hazard a guess. The big lens is one of the very pricey 400mm, 500mm or 600mm ED AF-S Nikkors (5-7.5k$). Very nice if you’re a sports or nature photographer, and there is a great deal of distance between you and your subject. The applications for this lens are very limited. Sure you can always make it work but why?
To make matters worse, he goes on and on about your needing fill flash. I didn’t see one offered except the inherent flash in the D1. How is that puny flash going to help you with a super telephoto???
Hey, it’s not all bad. The bodies are quite excellent. The lens shade on the D1 dictates its lens has moderate wide-angle capability in the 28-35mm range and might zoom upward beyond 150mm. Again, just guessing from the picture. He really should have listed all the components in a proper prospectus.
Here’s how I’d counter offer.
Tell him to keep the super telephoto and use it for a plumb. And substitute for it, the following lenses:
20-35mm AF-S Nikkor wide angle zoom. Excellent for all around landscape photo, close up, party shots to make sure everyone gets their mug in there, and this highly prized lens is in every photo journalists Lowe-Pro Bag.
80-200mm AF-S Nikkor short telephoto zoom. Excellent moderate telephoto for action, and landscape,
The above extends the envelop of the lens already on the D1 if I surmise correctly that it falls betwen 20mm and 200mm. Why have 2 bodies with equal lenses??
200mm Micro Nikkor AF, the best lens for close up photo and even has 1:1 magnification built in. Something previous manual focus Nikkors did not. The 200 mm allows you the greatest distance from your subject, although it’s only 5 inches away. In the close up world this is titanic. This would be a windfall for those close up shots of chainsaw internal modifications.
Let’s move to the flash. The F5 doesn’t have an internal flash. And since I know he has at least 2 of these, tell him to give up one of those Metz 60CT-4 flash systems with dedicated modules for the F5 and D1. Doug wants 5 frames per second shooting with excellent lighting? This is one of the few systems, which will accomplish this. For those hot tub party shots, the D1 flash will suffice.
If you proceed with his initial offer unchallenged, you’re going to develop really hateful violent thoughts for giving him a great truck and skidder for tools, which need a lot of other accoutrements to make them user friendly.
Now he might get ornery and won’t move on the super telephoto, so this is our fall back position. Gitzo 420 tripod, Arca Swiss B1 monoball, and a Lowe Pro Super Trekker AW backpack. You’re not going to want to handhold that tree trunk all day.
He’s trying to hoodwink you into thinking all his junk will instantly propel your photos into the photo stock agencies of the world, while to the initiate, pro Nikon Bodies are a work in progress to figure out, and once you have the mechanics down, placing them into practice with pleasing results is entirely another gauntlet of disappointment. Certainly achievable but it’s not so wham bam thank you maam, get me a 10k camera and New York here I am. I made a rhyme. LOL!
Personally I thought the pictures you took were just fine, after all he could have arranged for that missy prissy Shelly G to come down from Seattle and be the Photojournalist. Where was she when we needed her ???
C-
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Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Hi Candice, thanks for settin' me straight on purchasing those glorified plumb bobs.
Doug, here is my final offer, I will trade you my favourite SLR in exchange for the D1 without the lenses ok?
John
Doug, here is my final offer, I will trade you my favourite SLR in exchange for the D1 without the lenses ok?
John
dbabcock
Hi Tech Redneck
Here's my final offer to you. If that full manual, 25 year old K-1000 and lens were mint, I'd trade you two cartons of Export A's for it, hands down. Because it has been thrown in the snow more than a few times, I'll give you one carton and throw in Fizbin as a bonus for your amusement.
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Doug, you got me lookin' like I just escaped from Lepors Isle.
John
John
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Hi Doug, I'll take you up on the Export Eh's, how about a 40 pounder of Grey Goose and a woopy cushion in exchange for a tutor on 7.0 Adobe, cause if you ain't got it, you're gettin' it.
Pal, John
Pal, John
Well hello there John. I really don't get on here much but it's always seems like there's a lot going down when I browse around this site. I'm in NH visiting my 2nd cousin Jane and Doug this week. I've only been in town for a little over a week and already I've had more different types of vodka and booze than I've ever had in my life. J & D are out with friends for dinner tonight. They asked me if I wanted to go but I honestly can't take any more of the nightlife for a while. It's great but too much for me to handle. I'm on Jane's computer now. I asked D why he hadn't been on here lately and he said that he really didn't belong here and was just mucking up the works. I think he's moved on to mucking up the works on some other sites. Someday maybe I'll get to meet you and some of the others Doug has spoke fondly of. See ya.
Bob
Bob
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Hi Bob, isn't that quite the stereo that D& J have? Doug and Jane are life long friends of mine, and I will never forget that.
When Doug gets home after you finish babysittin' Fisbin, then tell him our pathes will cross again. I win.
Pal, John
When Doug gets home after you finish babysittin' Fisbin, then tell him our pathes will cross again. I win.
Pal, John
