PNW area questions

[ArtB]

second-growth forests are ~150 years old now and virtually indistinguishable from old-growth


HUH!!

Have some stumps in my back yard (logged in 1916) that still have over 1000 growth rings that can still be counted, biggest tree looks to have been 10 ft DBH at least. Would have loved to see the land then.

Nothing 150 YO can approach those or even bigger as in the attached reference pix of even bigger trees.

http://search.tacomapubliclibrary.o...ubjects+contains+Tree stumps Tacoma 1940-1950

 

[Greystoke]

What ??? !!! Where ??? !!! Get your saw, McKendrick, grease up your boots. Gather your tools. We'll start early.

I wanna play too!

 

[Joe46]

Get a CB with a good antenna and pay attention to the channels posted at the bottom of the hill and the mile markers. Amazing how big a Kenworth grill looks when ya dont know its comming around the corner.

Yup. I was run off the road by a Northern Transport rig going over Pyramid pass several years ago. I was on the channel, he wasn't

 

[floyd]

as mushrooms get older quality goes down, when quality goes down so does price.

 

[SURDO]

Rip out hwy 26 west of Portland headed towards the coast and you can find many companies working year around just minutes off the hwy. The site we are on now is within miles of at least three or four other outfits. I doubt anyone will be willing or happy to talk to you when they are trying to get their eight or six in.

 

[RandyMac]

NOW GUYS, What is a MacKendrick? Must be a Redwood thang?

A MacKendrick is that loud noise found in OG forests, often leaving behind overly tall stumps. Logging crews used to come properly equipped with one, although the supply has become severely limited, due to high attrition often enough crews have had to skinny by with a MacNaughton or other unreasonable replacements. Although more commonly found in the Coast Ranges, there have been sightings in the North Sierras and other forested places. Habitat does vary, however artifacts left at the sites indicate an habitual creature, well set in it's ways. If spotted, approach with caution, mere proximity can place the observer in interestingly dangerous situations.

 

[madhatte]

Nothing 150 YO can approach those or even bigger as in the attached reference pix of even bigger trees.

Well, yeah, of course there's a big difference between a 150-yo cohort and a 1000-yo cohort.

My point is that these older second-growth forests are well past stem exclusion stage and have several layers to the canopy, and without actually drilling with an increment borer to tell age, could be estimated at anywhere from 100 to about 300 yo based on stand structure. When the bark on DF starts to get soft and papery instead of hard and rough, the tree is generally over 200 yo. Older second-growth forests have plenty of trees in them which were passed over the first time which are of that age or older, and the occasional left-over remnant of a much earlier time is often found in there as well. Oregon, especially, has a lot of forest in such condition.

 

[hammerlogging]

Well, yeah, of course there's a big difference between a 150-yo cohort and a 1000-yo cohort. .

Sorta like when I was catching mellow little sunset waves one evening in my whitewater boat and the bullish board surfin ##### yelled "you'll never understand" as she paddled out as I rode one down the line.

Post sunset, clean mellow sunset surf on a fine little NorCal (casper inlet) beach break, weekday evening, minding my own business, chillin..... No, I'll never understand. If only I were an uptight something-or-other on a surf board, then I'd really understand.

Madhatte, you best get off to tree huggin school if you wanna hang here

:bang:

 

[madhatte]

Madhatte, you best get off to tree huggin school if you wanna hang here

Aw, you know I only hug 'em when I gotta get the spencer around a big one, and even then, only when I'm gettin' paid.

(tho I do have an Evergreen degree, whatever that's worth)

 

[hammerlogging]

Thats where my signature line comes from-the ol' Appalachian diameter limit cut. sometimes a string with a little knot, sometimes a spencer, hug her to get the measurer around, yep, she's in....... rev rev rev.

Not to mention the double meaning, I do actually feel gratitude toward the blessing of this fine world. And like nice trees.

Expressing this by falling timber is perfectly natural.

I know I'll be falling one heck of an ash early in my day tomorrow, eyed it toward the end of the day. The timber is gonna be rather scattered after that. But big, so thats good. Hasta.

 

[bitzer]

It is a strange thing. Walking alone in the woods and there they are. They were there before you and would be there after you. When I take my kids into the woods they get a little nervous. I remember that feeling too when I was a kid. Those towering living things. Just walking around when there is no wind. I swear you can hear them growing. Really pretty huge in perspective.

Man I sure love cutting trees though.

 

[rbtree]

I'm an arborist, not a logger, but the below slide show is from a tree we removed this summer. It may have been the largest tree to be removed in the PNW in 13 years..residentially at least. At 10.5 feet across at ground level and 8 feet dbh, I doubt anything has been logged that large recently either...at least down low....open grown sequoia tapers a lot, so the tree only had about 14,000 board feet, bark included....Crane bill for just the stem, and the time it took to load the first log truck, was $4500!!! I should have charged $8500 labor, but went a bit lighter....2 plus days....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbtree/sets/72157624162999759/show/

 

[ArtB]

Quite the taper, and counted only 137 rings - that correct? Surprised the house was built that close, or is the house older?

Planted about 10 sequoia in the back yard abut 20 years ago, one of them is a good 18" diameter already, about 50% bigger than some DF planted same time.

 

[Greystoke]

I'm an arborist, not a logger, but the below slide show is from a tree we removed this summer. It may have been the largest tree to be removed in the PNW in 13 years..residentially at least. At 10.5 feet across at ground level and 8 feet dbh, I doubt anything has been logged that large recently either...at least down low....open grown sequoia tapers a lot, so the tree only had about 14,000 board feet, bark included....Crane bill for just the stem, and the time it took to load the first log truck, was $4500!!! I should have charged $8500 labor, but went a bit lighter....2 plus days....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbtree/sets/72157624162999759/show/

Sweet pics! That looked like an awesome removal. I would love to be in on something like that...from a tree climbers perspective anyhow. I like the old 2100 husky...I wish I would have hung on to mine.

 

[rbtree]

Quite the taper, and counted only 137 rings - that correct? Surprised the house was built that close, or is the house older?

Planted about 10 sequoia in the back yard abut 20 years ago, one of them is a good 18" diameter already, about 50% bigger than some DF planted same time.

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Try again, Art. The tree was 98 years old. It was two when it was planted, for $4, and was planted 2 years after the Olmstead mansion was built. The location is "The Highlands", the gated community that is about as exclusive as they come. Another sequoia was also planted at the gatehouse, which is now an impressive home by itself. That tree is also close to 160 feet tall, but is much smaller at the base. It's on a slope, so gets less water, I assume.

I bid a sequoia stump in Rainier Ave area a while back that was a mere 37 years old, yet 6.5 x 7.5 feet across at ground level!!!

 

[paccity]

I'm an arborist, not a logger, but the below slide show is from a tree we removed this summer. It may have been the largest tree to be removed in the PNW in 13 years..residentially at least. At 10.5 feet across at ground level and 8 feet dbh, I doubt anything has been logged that large recently either...at least down low....open grown sequoia tapers a lot, so the tree only had about 14,000 board feet, bark included....Crane bill for just the stem, and the time it took to load the first log truck, was $4500!!! I should have charged $8500 labor, but went a bit lighter....2 plus days....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbtree/sets/72157624162999759/show/

we took one down last year in salem that was 12+ . big tree small yard, i'll scrounge up some pics.