Point of entry

[Ohiowoodguy]

What, exactly, does cutting at point of entry mean? If you're limited to "12 inch at point of entry", does this mean 12 inches in diameter above the root swell, or at actual ground level? Some trees 12 inches in diameter at ground level may only be 4 inches DBH, because of butt swell or buttresses at ground level.

 

[tramp bushler]

A ship entering a different country

That is the only point of entry that I know of ,,???????????????????????????/

 

[slowp]

That is the only point of entry that I know of ,,???????????????????????????/

Yes, I've been through Blaine, Oroville, and Nighthawk.....actually, I think they are called Ports of Entry.

 

[tramp bushler]

Your Right

Ya Port of Entry , there ya go ...

These East coast guys with their short bars , it,s kind of confuseing describeing falling techniques because their bars are so short and they only have half their handle bars ....OH WELL ,,as long as the chain is sharp and it keeps going around I guess it can be figured out .. Mayby they are talking about boring cuts .That would be exciteing , An 044 or 372 with a 20" bar boring into a hardwood tree ...No wonder they advertise [ ARM CHAPS ] on this site ..

gumboot

 

[slowp]

Tramp Bushler, I am ashamed to admit that I too only have a half wrap handle on my saws. I merely buck stuff up or cut tiny stuff. There have been times when I wished I had a full wrap, usually when I'm on a steep cutbank trying to get a bent over alder on the ground. But the Barbie Saw would not fit in the little pickup box if it had a full wrap. And with gas prices so high, I can't justify buying one for Twinkle. So, I shall continue to be an exception to the west coast tradition. Please don't kick me off the site! Like I said, I mostly buck up stuff so it should be ok....right? :blush:

 

[Ohiowoodguy]

real wood

Aren't there any real loggers on this site?- or is everybody here just into that wussy soft-wood? If my bar is never too short, then its always too long!:smoking:

 

[slowp]

Wussy soft wood is what the mills buy here and make boards out of and we have houses out of....We grow it quite well here thank you.
Saw some video at our safety meeting today of hazard trees being cut down. Yup wussy 6 foot diameter soft woods with problems to make cutting them quite interesting. The camera went fuzzy on one after the cutter and filmer had to make a run for it as the tree began to split about 10 feet above the cut. Yup, it is woose wood and woose trees too. It brought back memories of how things were 20 years ago...pretty woosie then too.

 

[ddhlakebound]

Aren't there any real loggers on this site?- or is everybody here just into that wussy soft-wood? If my bar is never too short, then its always too long!:smoking:

Surely there are some "real loggers" in the mills and sawshops where you live.

Maybe you should ask them how to identify which baby trees to cut, and which baby trees to leave....

BTW....its hard for your bar to be too short when all you cut is pecker poles.

A smart fella doesn't need to be from the PNW to have loads of respect for the dangerous, hard work those guys do.

 

[tramp bushler]

We.ll let ya slide

. I use a half wrap,,, For Pre Commercial thinning .... I,ve got a 5 bushel Yellow Cedar to fall this week .. It,s only worth about 5 grand on the local domestic market
I,ve got about 250,000 board feet to cut this week coming ..I may be able to post some pics

 

[slowp]

I am much relieved.

 

[Gologit]

Aren't there any real loggers on this site?- or is everybody here just into that wussy soft-wood? If my bar is never too short, then its always too long!:smoking:

:monkey:

 

[Ohiowoodguy]

Wussy soft wood is what the mills buy here and make boards out of and we have houses out of....We grow it quite well here thank you.
Saw some video at our safety meeting today of hazard trees being cut down. Yup wussy 6 foot diameter soft woods with problems to make cutting them quite interesting. The camera went fuzzy on one after the cutter and filmer had to make a run for it as the tree began to split about 10 feet above the cut. Yup, it is woose wood and woose trees too. It brought back memories of how things were 20 years ago...pretty woosie then too.

Imagine that same size tree only in maple or oak (ok, maybe not as tall), but with utility lines running through the limbs, houses and garages and streets and sidewalks within 20 feet, nails and chains in the trunk. Our mills buy hardwood; we can't usually give pine away. We do grow some biguns too. The 088 & 48" bar doesn't collect too much dust here.

But seriously: is point of entry measured at ground level or above the swell?

 

[Gologit]

Imagine that same size tree only in maple or oak (ok, maybe not as tall), but with utility lines running through the limbs, houses and garages and streets and sidewalks within 20 feet, nails and chains in the trunk. Our mills buy hardwood; we can't usually give pine away. We do grow some biguns too. The 088 & 48" bar doesn't collect too much dust here.

But seriously: is point of entry measured at ground level or above the swell?

Yeah, okay...we're impressed. Now, what's this Point of Entry stuff? Is this something you read about, heard about, or made up out of your own head?

How does it apply to cutting trees? Is it some kind of wierd government thing? What???!!!

Why do you need to know it and how do you plan on using it? Or is this just some kind of little test you made up to check out our woods creds?

 

[abohac]

What the heck!

Yeah, okay...we're impressed. Now, what's this Point of Entry stuff? Is this something you read about, heard about, or made up out your own head?

How does it apply to cutting trees? Is it some kind of wierd government thing? What???!!!

Why do you need to know it and how do you plan on using it? Or is this just some kind of little test you made up to check out our woods creds?

I don't want to get into who or what is a "real logger", and quite often I hear some new jargon concerning the woods but I have never heard the term "point of entry" when talking about cutting wood. Can you explain to all of us dopes what the heck you are talking about?

 

[2dogs]

I don't want to get into who or what is a "real logger", and quite often I hear some new jargon concerning the woods but I have never heard the term "point of entry" when talking about cutting wood. Can you explain to all of us dopes what the heck you are talking about?

I think of entering a stand of trees but that is it. Help us out here.

 

[Ohiowoodguy]

Is this clear?

Loggers here usually work on contracts which specify which trees in a stand to take. Trees are usually marked, or a minimum size (or certain species) is agreed upon between the owner and logger- usually a minimum diameter at breast height (DBH). I got into a deal with a logger who is taking "everything 12 inches or bigger in diameter at point of entry" for grade lumber and blocking, and I get to take the remaining trees (pecker poles?, come on!) for firewood (its 15 acres of clear-cutting: owner wants more cropland). I have asked the logger for specifics and recieved conflicting answers, but he is both crazy and dishonest-like most around here.
Please don't be insulting out of hand. I guess I shouldn't have used sarcasm to rouse an answer. Some of you should lighten up. I'm surprised 'cause all the loggers I've met over the years in Northern BC have been pretty laid-back.

 

[Gologit]

Loggers here usually work on contracts which specify which trees in a stand to take. Trees are usually marked, or a minimum size (or certain species) is agreed upon between the owner and logger- usually a minimum diameter at breast height (DBH). I got into a deal with a logger who is taking "everything 12 inches or bigger in diameter at point of entry" for grade lumber and blocking, and I get to take the remaining trees (pecker poles?, come on!) for firewood (its 15 acres of clear-cutting: owner wants more cropland). I have asked the logger for specifics and recieved conflicting answers, but he is both crazy and dishonest-like most around here.
Please don't be insulting out of hand. I guess I shouldn't have used sarcasm to rouse an answer. Some of you should lighten up. I'm surprised 'cause all the loggers I've met over the years in Northern BC have been pretty laid-back.

Okay...let me see if I have this figured out correctly. You've entered into an agreement with a man you consider dishonest and crazy but you're surprised when his answers to your questions don't make sense. I guess you could ask other loggers in the area but apparently you also consider them to be dishonest and crazy so you probably woudn't trust their word either.

Then, when we ask you to clarify your terms, you become sarcastic and defensive. And you still haven't, or won't, define your need for an answer. It's hard to help someone who can't be more specific about what he needs.

You also seem to feel you have the right to lecture us on the tone of our response. You don't.

You also state that you feel insulted. That's your choice entirely but I don't see that it's justified. A thin skin around here will just cause you grief...toughen up a little.

The logger, crazy and dishonest as he may be, is going to cut everything he is entitled to and you get the rest...right? Do you pay him or the landowner anything? Do you have a written agreement or just a handshake?

The Point of Entry thing was your way of checking on the logger wasn't it? You're going to go around behind him and scale what he's cut to make sure he's being honest? Better make sure that he doesn't add violent to dishonest and crazy.


Let us know how this works out for you.

 

[GASoline71]

Aren't there any real loggers on this site?- or is everybody here just into that wussy soft-wood? If my bar is never too short, then its always too long!:smoking:

It's not all about the softwood... try packin a 046 with a 36" bar for 12 hours on a friggin' sidehill all day in the bush...

You can have your p u s s y hardwoods on flatlands...

Hows that for defensive/sarcastic Bob?



Gary

 

[Gologit]

It's not all about the softwood... try packin a 046 with a 36" bar for 12 hours on a friggin' sidehill all day in the bush...

You can have your p u s s y hardwoods on flatlands...

Hows that for defensive/sarcastic Bob?



Gary

Hey Gary...good to see you back. That wasn't bad but I know you can do better. You're probably just out of practise. I'd hate to think you were mellowing in your old age. Maybe somebody will post another oil thread and you can really get back in shape.

 

[Tazman1602]

It's not all about the softwood... try packin a 046 with a 36" bar for 12 hours on a friggin' sidehill all day in the bush...

You can have your p u s s y hardwoods on flatlands...

Hows that for defensive/sarcastic Bob?



Gary

:sword:

Hey whaddya mean? We have sidehills up here in MI. Heck it's at least 100 yards from the bottom of the hill at my deerblind to the top.

"packin a 046 with a 36" bar for 12 hours on a friggin' sidehill all day in the bush..."

Those words spell "Coronary" to some of us. I can't even imagine doing that. More power to you dude.