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Has anyone resharpened their pole saw blades? I have a bunch of Hayauchi blades that have become dull from use and the manufacturer says they can be resharpened with a file but the number of teeth and the different angles makes it seem crazy.

Does anyone have a contact or company out there that will sharpen these blades?
 
Has anyone resharpened their pole saw blades? I have a bunch of Hayauchi blades that have become dull from use and the manufacturer says they can be resharpened with a file but the number of teeth and the different angles makes it seem crazy.

Does anyone have a contact or company out there that will sharpen these blades?
No local sharpening shops near you?
 
‘Feather file’ (a.k.a. ‘feather-edge file’)

Several mail order places have them. My STIHL dealer also sells one.

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Check out YouTube videos for filing the tri-edge points. Like many saws, follow the existing angles, unless heavily damaged.

Philbert
This is what I use. Works great.
 
If you don't have exceptional near vision, you should make sure you got the right optics for looking very close. Be sure to work from a comfortable seated position with a solid base to work on.

My Silky Hayuchi Hayate blade takes about 1 1/2 hours to sharpen, and that is moving fast. There are three different facets to each tooth, and with every stroke you must be very careful to not accidentally swipe any of the adjacent teeth. We're talking long strokes sticking to a tiny facet maybe 1/64th of an inch wide on the point.

But then, I cannot buy blades for that one anymore, so it's sharpen or throw it away.
 
If you don't have exceptional near vision, you should make sure you got the right optics for looking very close. Be sure to work from a comfortable seated position with a solid base to work on.

My Silky Hayuchi blade takes about 1 1/2 hours to sharpen, and that is moving fast. There are three different facets to each tooth, and with every stroke you must be very careful to not accidentally swipe any of the adjacent teeth. We're talking long strokes sticking to a tiny facet maybe 1/64th of an inch wide on the point.

But then, I cannot buy blades for that one anymore, so it's sharpen or throw it away.
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They sell Hayauchi blades
 
I stand corrected. A couple of sources have started to keep some parts for that saw, including A.M. Leonard. That blade has been impossible to get for a couple of years. Apparently, there is still some demand.

The whole saw, however, is still off the market in the USA. Notch saws are supposedly using silky blades and making identical pole parts, but I have not confirmed that.

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Damned lawyers. I think the Japanese manufacturers got tired of being sued by idiots too stupid to keep an aluminum pole off a high voltage wire.
 
I thought the teeth on those things were induction hardened to a point where a steel file would not cut, or does that vary from brand to brand?

Induction hardening is about the only way to keep the teeth hard while keeping the blade flexible. It doesn't confer magical properties to the metal, though. Files cut steel, even when it is hardened, just not as well, according to how good a file you are holding and how much the steel has been hardened.

Consider the results with your round file on a chainsaw tooth that has been burned hard with a chain sharpener. Those teeth get burned blue sometimes, losing all their flexibility while becoming so hard they are almost impervious to files. I have dulled many a file on a machine-ground chain, although I never found one so hard that the file couldn't sharpen it. It just took a LOT longer. If you have done much hand filing, you should have noticed your file skating off the chain teeth every now and then without removing much steel.

The feather file from Silky does a nice job. When you begin filing each tooth, the file skates over the top for a little bit, and then begins to cut smoothly as some of the metal is worn away. Each tooth has previously undergone what is called "work hardening" during its use. This causes the file a bit more trouble at the beginning of each tooth, but that work hardening doesn't extend deep into the steel, so the file slowly cuts through the extra-hardened area, then moves right on through the induction hardened teeth without any trouble.

I cannot say whether the file is especially hard, but I don't think so. Induction hardening isn't the same toughness as the hardening done to a high-carbon file. But they will snap in two if hit very hard.

As I recall, the Silky blades are induction hardened and then they add another electroplate layer of nickle, for just a bit better tooth-life.

New information:
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...Maybe I got the name wrong. Hayate?

Yep. 84 teeth, it takes quite a while to sharpen, at 3 facets to every tooth.
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Give me a link.

On Silky's website, clicking this link (https://silkysaws.com/blade-assembly-hayate/) goes to this page: https://silkysaws.com/blade-parts-and-accessories/

...which conveniently forgets anything about the Hayate.
https://sherrilltree.com/silky-blad...xG1BWmzG5Qg9L8VUeXtk6Xt2iXrzaopEaAsD9EALw_wcB

https://silkysaws.com/silky-hayate-telescoping-pole-saw-replacement-blade/
 
I did a bit more research after I located a Pferd feather file that listed it would sharpen metal up to an HRC hardness of 38. :surprised3:

Other sources say "...the induction-hardened teeth of Silky saws generally reach a hardness of approximately 68-71 HRC (Rockwell Hardness Scale)."

So a Pferd feather file might not work out too well. I found this:
https://shop.sculpt.com/products/3-...OBYgYecOoq6FKekdOP1MmIjJ-rIPWsmAZL5bGiUtKZNd0

A 300 grit diamond feather file might work out well. Given that it is hard enough to file granite, it might not worry about some induction-hardened teeth.

Price is right.
 
Some silky saws are designed to be sharpenable, others are impulse hardened and not.

For example right in the description of their Sugoi (handsaw):
  • Because impulse-hardening is not applied, the blade can be sharpened with a file

but on Tsurugi:
"due to its slender frame, and the Silky impulse-hardened, chrome plated teeth stay sharp longer than any other brand of saw."

Hayate and Hatuchi are both sharpenable
 
Here's an interesting read on this very topic: https://forums.woodnet.net/showthread.php?tid=7332576
Basically, the same question we started with, but posted to a bunch of metal enthusiasts in a woodworking forum.

As to sharpening the unsharpenable? I'm not convinced that any of them are unsharpenable. I think it is more a matter of how hard to sharpen and how long your expensive file will remain sharp. A diamond feather file will sharpen any of 'em.

My Hayate is on the list of sharpenable saws, so I guess my opinions are subject to error, as I haven't tried any of the unsharpenables.
https://atcproducts.com.au/sharpenable-silky-saws/

 
Here's an interesting read on this very topic: https://forums.woodnet.net/showthread.php?tid=7332576
Basically, the same question we started with, but posted to a bunch of metal enthusiasts in a woodworking forum.

...
I "might" know the guy who asked that question ;)

Here are the discs I've used in a dremel to get some results on an impulse hardened blade:
https://www.menards.com/main/tools/...p-1444421205164-c-1537277164191.htm?exp=false

I find it difficult to hold it straight enough to do as well as i can with a file, so I don't do those blades any more.
 
Sounds like some old school, cheapo stuff to me. I’ve seen one dude try this on the older pole saw blades. That was 30 years ago or better. I never imagined people still did this! Lol.:popcorn2:
 
Sounds like some old school, cheapo stuff to me. I’ve seen one dude try this on the older pole saw blades. That was 30 years ago or better. I never imagined people still did this! Lol.:popcorn2:
Well, Shelter Tree does have 20% off for Labor Day, so I did just order 2 each for Hayate (pole saw), Sugoi, and Tsurugi (handsaws). I'm still cheap, will probably still sharpen the ones designed to be sharpened, but not the impulse hardened blades any more.
 

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