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What percentage of your income is derived from tree removal? Just curious

  • >90%

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • 70-90%

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • 30-70%

    Votes: 10 41.7%
  • <30%

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Total voters
    24

Guy Meilleur

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Just Wondering: What percentage of your gross income is derived from tree removal? I know we all have different skills and client bases and company policies and crew numbers, so no judgments, just curious.

>90%

60-90%

30-60%

<30%

Whoops, this didn't come out in poll form but what the hey.
 
Originally posted by TreeCo
That 30% to 70% is a big range.
True; I first made it 0-30, 30-60, 60-90, but that looked like most would fall in the 60-90. O well
 
I clicked 70-90. I guess 3 out of 4 jobs I do are takedowns. Sometimes I might trim for a couple weeks straight, and other times none at all.

I get left out of a lot of the easy trimming cause they get their climber to do it. When the trees become numerous, or hard, then I can get 'em. I love to trim, especially this time of the year!

I probably do more TD's than the average climber.
 
Right now 0% thanks to Op Athena and a year long deployment to Kabul. I have a small job to finish this spring when I am home on leave, started last fall but it got too wet right before I left. The client was not in a big rush anyways and I told him he could pay me when I finished all of what he wanted done.
 
Hey Jumper,
Maybe you should take some leave over there and do some pruning. Have a friend who was contracted to do some wook in Saudi, In that part of the world the work isn't dangerous the real danger lies in accidentally killing a tree, Guess what? Same thing happens to the arborist!!!!:rolleyes:
 
Honest, there are very few trees left here as they all have been cut down for fuel. The ones that are left in town are all hacked to pieces,l again people desparate to stay warm. 20F tonight and snow in the forecast.:eek:
 
Guy,

Your poll will probaly reveal the same results of an article I read in the Jrn. of Arb. years ago which was surprising to me considering the source. Removals account for approx. 60% of gross inc., followed by pruning 30%, 10% of gross from tree care .

That !0% figure raised my eye brows as we seem put the most effort into promoting ourselves as being tree preservationists. But in reality it seems to be one the one thing we do the least and brings in the least amout of gross dollars. Ironic to say the least.

That article appeared at a time when I really gearing toward tree care in our area, in an attempt to seperate myself from the crowd. The results of my efforts were on the disappointing side. It seems the consumer view of tree care is far removed from ours, and ends when you shut off your saw.

Removals add to the gross big time, it is also the easiest thing to do when you have employees. On the other side of the coin it is the least profitable operation when you view the total picture.

Pruning IMO generates the most profitable bottom line, over the long run. The skills needed are more technical and reflect a more professional image. The customer sees a dollar value for the money spent. The tree remains in the landscape to be serviced again at a future date. Pruning a tree on a cycle will result in better profitable dollars than a one time removal.

Controlling insects and diseases can be profitable, if you gear yourself to this niche market. I could never make it work because of the timing involved, lack of a good client base in our area and a plain reluctance of people to act before it is to late to do any thing for suffering trees.
 
About 25% of my work is removals. I think the percentage of removals is far greater on the CONUS than in Hawaii. I had a climber that moved to Virginia in 1999 and is working for a fair sized tree service there...4 climbers and 18 groundmen. He said about 80% of the time he is doing removals. My favorite job is a small to medium size tree removal with stump grinding. Quick and easy and good money. Large tree removals are not as profitable for me, since I don't have a crane and the cost to rent one pretty much wipes out most of the profit.
 
Originally posted by Koa Man
Large tree removals are not as profitable for me, since I don't have a crane and the cost to rent one pretty much wipes out most of the profit.


$crew that! If you need a crane, you NEED a CRANE! The additional cost is the client's problem. Renting a crane is usually better then trying to deal with the headaches of owning one, IMO.

Am I missing something? :confused:



I like that 'CONUS'. :D
 
What I meant by the cost of renting a crane wipes out my profit is that I cannot compete with the large tree services that already have one in their fleet. Most crane rental places here charge about $110 an hour, with operator, 4 hour min. starting from the time they leave their yard and back. This is for the boom truck type stick crane.
 
Almost all of my jobs are all day or multi day affairs at the same site. I very seldom go to more than one site in a single day. I usually pass on the 1/4 day jobs. Too much time wasted in traveling and set up. The big benefit of a crane for me would be being able to load large pieces without cutting them up.
It used to be great when I had a material handling aerial lift. Although it could only carry 1500# max and 800# at the height and angle where you would most likely use it, it sure beat cutting logs into 100# pieces and hand loading it.
 
Man Koa, you slice and dice? I get hounded for some of my old habits, but S & D is really stone age. When I do it it is only because access is severely limited, and thats the only way to do it.

One guy I work for S & D's his stuff, another one uses a crane to lift the heavy stuff. The crane user is making about three times what the other guy makes.

This is the one time it is handy to have a smaller(8 to 12tn) crane. You can actually use it on lotsa TD's, but its main purpose is to eliminate the S & D.

Just my thinking...
 
I cut stuff as big as the work area and safety allows. After that as big as can be loaded. I am hoping to get a new truck this year and really would like to get one with a knuckle boom crane/chipbox combo. I took down a few eucalyptus trees in Nov 2003 that were about 60 ft. tall and 16 inch dia. at the base. The area allowed for it to be felled from the ground. I cut each tree into only 3 pieces. The winch on my Woodsman 18X pulled it from where it lay and into the chipper. I cut or handle debris only enough to get the job done.
 

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