Pre-1961 Lancaster saw, how to identify?

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bugsmashers

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Hi,

I just picked up a large, red, Lancaster chainsaw at an auction. It is powered by a West Bend model 2772 engine that has a data plate indicating "West Bend Aluminum Company, so I know it is pre-'61. It is in great shape and works perfectly. I can't find any information on the saw to indicate what model of saw it is. Any ideas? View attachment 36800
 
$178.50 in 1957 was a LOT of money - money a one income household likely couldn't afford to spend, just to have a saw around! Granted, you were purchasing a quality piece of American made equipment, unlike the throw-away unsupported trash of today, but with inflation figured in, that is $1268.14 today. 3120XP here I come! I guess what I am saying is...technology has become a catch 22. It has made our lives so much easier, and 'improved' them, but has it really? The quality of products that our country, and our world manufactures is deminishing. The mentality has shifted towards stock options and profit sharing for the top executives, and low wages for masses, which in turn demand cheap products that they can afford on their paychecks, which in turn feeds the viscious circle - the products get cheaper, the rich get richer, and if we're not careful, the economic backbone of our nation, the industrial and manufacturing stronghold that we once held will be gone, and we will look to and depend on others for goods and services as they once depended on us...the playing field will be leveled and the tables will turn!

Demand quality, buy American (when you can) and boycott cheap garbage that you don't need! I say this and feel like a hypocrite - as you look at my signature, you will notice I own Japanese saws, but name a good American made saw. McCulloch is a prime example - sad but true - a quality product no more. When will corporate America wake up?

Sorry for the rant - I needed to get it out! Sweet saw, Bugsmashers!

-Josh
 
Great looking saw. Great find. Put it in wood and tell us how it does. Best looking Lancaster I have seen in a while. Congratulations!
 
That thing is in absolutely amazing condition. No pitting or rust on the unpainted stuff. And the paint itself is still shiny with just a few chips. How did the auction go? Were you bidding against anyone? Could you imagine if there were a half dozen AS mambers there? The guy who was selling the saw could have made out like a bandit.

I agree with Josh's rant, and there can be no 2 better examples to illustrate his point than McCulloch and Homelite. Remember that they once held the top 2 rungs on the saw ladder now occupied by Stihl and Husky. The basic problem is that American companies simply don't think long term like those in Japan and Germany. In the US, it's all about the short term. How'd we do this quarter. US executives could care less about how long the company is around. There only focus is to, "put up some numbers", please Wall St., get their bonus, and head to the golf course.

But it goes deeper than that. Nobody wants to work in a factory anymore unless they can make $50,000 or more. And in cases where such factories exist, the American consumer is for the most part to cheap to buy those products. So, for instance, when a shoe factory in Maine closes after 150 years and 300 people are out of work, the general reaction is that it's a shame. The Governer, or congress ought to do something. That something would likely be a tariff on shoes from China. But then all of the people who felt bad would say "Hey, wait a minute! You mean the solution is gonna come out of my wallet? Why should I have to pay more for shoes so some guy in Maine can buy a house and raise a family?" The unfortunate reality is that the American consumer will not support the American worker. It's really just human nature. We all try to get as good a bang for our buck as we can.

And yeah, I'm part of the problem too. I get my shoes from LL Bean in Maine, but they are all made in China!
 
Hi,

I appreciate all of the replies and advice. First, about how I found this saw: I was at an estate sale in Strasburg, PA near Lancaster. I'm not a chain saw collector, but this was just too neat. This auction required us to bid such that the bidder would choose an item out of the lot of their choice. I bid and won. People were not buying good stuff, but a pallet of paint cans would be fought over. I loaded up my truck and felt like I was stealing. :biggrinbounce2:

To get it running I cleaned the spark plug, drained the old gas and added fresh, added bar oil, and pulled 5 times. Sweet. This thing is in unbelievable condition for a 1957 or so saw. It has an old style knurled champion spark plug in it, so it has been stored for a while. I am going to cut a little with it tomorrow. I am amazed at the brute strength and quality of this saw. It is clearly a professional duty machine. Though I like my Stihl 034, this saw just exudes a air of quality. I might clean and preserve it and put it on a special shelf in my office where I have antique machines. I'd need to build another shelf. :)

If anyone would be able to appreciate it more than I do, I could be talked into listing it on ebay...

On the political topic, I can agree and would like to relay an experience I had a few months ago. I'm not trying to be a troll or hijack my own thread, but here's my 2 cents. Some of you will probably know what company I am writing about, but please don't write the name on this forum.

I had an opportunity to do a consulting job as an engineer in a plant that makes steel products not to far from where I live. I was to work on an inspection system. This was unique because my great-great grandfather built the place as an engineer during the latter stages of the industrial revolution, my great-grandfather was a supervisor there, and my grandfather and 3 of my great uncles worked there for their entire careers.

I was shocked to find that the same equipment was in use and doing a horrible job. A crane from 1895 is in daily use there-and breaks a lot. Scrappage rates earlier this year approached 70% mostly due to long-overdue complete overhauling. The best possible scrappage rate is 7%, but this is almost never met.

The unions fight any updating, such as the inspection system I was to work on, even though it would actually add jobs. The management is interesting in doing relatively minor things to improve the facility, and minor things in this environment cost millions, but by now things are too far gone to bring back to a state of true efficiency.

10% of their workforce has an OSHA-reportable injury every year.

The place isn't even American anymore, it is now as foreign as any China-based company, it just happens that it is inside the US borders and Americans work there. As a "consultant" I could see the hopelessness of the situation, so I left to pursue opportunity elsewhere. This is the state of "American" heavy industry.

Much of the long-term degradation, ie: why this entire plant wasn't scrapped and rebuilt years ago, was because of the "next quarter" mentality mentioned in the earlier post. However, to pay for high wages and pensions the company must be sure that next quarter looks good, even at the expense of 10 years down the road. It is not just corporate greed alone that causes these conditions. It is everyone's greed.

The backbone of American greatness consists in belief in the Constitution of the USA and in the high praise of achievers of all kinds. I see that real problems come when non-acheivers start to be praised for their non-acheivement and appeased to prevent their destructive acts. To be clear: whether someone is an acheiver or a non-acheiver is not based on race, religion, education level, blue or white collar, or type of job, just an attitude that leads them to work towards something that is better.

I am not arguing against a living wage for simple work, but the non-acheivers who learn their job in a hour and feel that they deserve $75K a year are not the reason why those who create industry get rich and they do not deserve to make the big money for it. If someone is satisfied with this type of work, great. But people who can do that job better and faster by applying their brains and backbones are what built the USA, and now we are being outclassed by people in other countries who remember this harsh lesson.

Today I see a government that does not respect the Constitution and a leftist movement that does not respect acheivement. :bang:
 

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