Pricing a Large Job

[Lumberjack]

i love talking #'s remember X everything by the day by the week by the month by the year and reverse as it applys.

lets look at 100k in 6 months, roughly 16,500 a month and 4,125 a week. i guess thats ok for a part time tree guy /student. but i would have expected alot higher #'s since you guys were hit with a hurricane recently.

now the company i work for has alot higher overhead since they have to pay ME and the small army it takes to clean up my mess's, but 4k is pretty much my daily average. last week i pulled off 13k in 2 days and haven't seen any hurricanes in the north east so far this year.

Then take out two months (roughly) for my fathers injury, I loose all of next week going to see specialist in jackson.

Then I am a student, have a very active social life,

Then I live in the south in a city with roughly 25k people, my county has under 60k in the county.

I have been making the transition to production work. My legal company was formed may 1st, before then was me kicking it small scale.

When I go to Jackson Sunday I am meeting with the rayco dealer to check out the 12D chipper, rayco bends over backwards to help us, we will give them a fair look.

 

[begleytree]

Sure, I'd hire Lumbercrack in a heartbeat! lol
He sounds knowledgable enough, but what do I know.
I think we need Ekka, MasterBlaster, Treeco, KFtree and Begley tree and I'll be "Johnny Cash" running to the ATM.
John

Now why'd I get drug into the middle of this? And is it good or bad, heck I can't tell.
-Ralph

 

[DDM]

Just bid it real high and sub it out.

 

[rfwoodvt]

Gypo, I'm still spinning from your figure for topsoil. One estimate was 10 yards per hole. Is that right?

1 yard will fill a hole slightly larger than 3 feet by 4 feet by 2 feet deep. Hell, even a stump hole 6x6c3 should only take 4 yards.

By all means don't dig, grind. Haul the grindings away and put down topsoil.

Moving stuff to the hauling equipment can be rough but a small articulated or skid steer would do you well.

Them roll offs are the cats a**. Get them if you can. Besure to find out tipping fees and calc the tonnage of the wood so that you can estimate that into the cost.

$1666 canadian seems a bit low per tree. Heck thats low in american $$

I have a hard time with multi tree bids like this. I can't ever seem to win.

Good luck

 

[a_lopa]

Just bid it real high and sub it out.

im glad your not serious haha

 

[a_lopa]

I'm sure the customer has phoned everyone in the yellow pages for a price. I happened upon it by someone I know that knows the customer. So I guess that's a good thing.
John

if you cant make a $$$ out of that somethings wrong.

ask some old loggers they know it all. haha

 

[a_lopa]

if you had this it would be easy

 

[darkstar]

From the sound of it you just need a good stump grinder and deffinatly a price of say 25k to 29.

 

[Gypo Logger]

if you had this it would be easy

A lopa, that looks too limp wristed for an old logger.

RFwood, the rationale behind my estimate of dirt was that when I did a similar job I found that the volume below the ground is the same as the volume above. Should it be less then that is a good thing for me and the customer as well.
The grinding sounds like the sane way to go, but don't suckers sprout still?
I've tried to talk the customer into simply lopping the main branches off in a nice fashion and let them sprout as I like to save trees too. Is this a good thing and what is it called?
I like Darkstars approach, however I think I will give the job to my climbing friend Johnny Bark. My place is in the bush. If they were SPF it would be a cut and dried affair. This city logging is for the birds :angel: .
I appreciate very much though how the climbers were willing to point me in the right direction.
Thanks again,
John

 

[a_lopa]

hi john,have you thrown in the towel or going to have a go at it?

 

[Gypo Logger]

John,

Glad to be of service.

As practitioners of abhoricultural we are always at the ready to help another 'fellow of the fiber'.

Dan

Thanks Dan, along with being one of the more accomplished climber, you have also done more to bridge the communication gap between the logger and the climber than any single individual on AS

A lopa, I think I will throw in the towel. I'm not too proud to say this job is beyond my capabilities and I can't lead a three man run to the outhouse so I wouldn't be good at subing it out either I don't think.
I called Johnny Bark and said he could have it.
John

 

[a_lopa]

dont worry i pass up plenty of big clean up jobs.if you could get a log grab there it may be worth it,busting the stumps up makes dumping easier here anyway,on this job it was $560 15 cubic meters of stumps(large dump) or $80 as green waste (smashed up) and the bonus is you do very little for the bugs bunny

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

lets look at 100k in 6 months, roughly 16,500 a month and 4,125 a week. i guess thats ok for a part time tree guy .

Yet another know it all bullchitter.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[P_woozel]

John, they sound like big, wide, weak messy willows and I'm kind of the opinion that 20k might be a little skinny for the effort. Thats a lot of hauling, and if youre excavating the stumps youre right you'll probably be bringing soil. Lumberjack broke it down to per tree price and thats what made it stand out for me. This sounds like a fine job to walk away from. :umpkin:

 

[kf_tree]

Yet another know it all bullchitter.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for getting my back rollacosta, his numbers didn't sound that impressive to me either.

 

[Lumberjack]

thanks for getting my back rollacosta, his numbers didn't sound that impressive to me either.

And we all know how much a desire your approval

 

[Gypo Logger]

John, they sound like big, wide, weak messy willows and I'm kind of the opinion that 20k might be a little skinny for the effort. Thats a lot of hauling, and if youre excavating the stumps youre right you'll probably be bringing soil. Lumberjack broke it down to per tree price and thats what made it stand out for me. This sounds like a fine job to walk away from. :umpkin:

I did just that, it's like asking to demolish a barn or something. Just a big mess to deal with. Too ugly to describe.
Not a good introduction into the business for sure.
John

 

[a_lopa]

to be honest even if you broke even you would have learnt for later on,but if your comfortable with $$$ its no big deal