Question about weight ratings: Life support and other?

[tree md]

I am reading the manual on a new saddle I got and it's got weight ratings on all the attachment points. Everything that is life support is rated at 15 KN. First of all, I'm sure I wasn't sold a saddle with inadequate life support attachments but I was thinking that anything that was for life support was supposed to be rated at least 22 KN?

Also, it gives maximum load ratings for the gear loops but it's not in Kilonewtons, it's given in daN? What is a daN and what is the conversion to pounds? Anyone have a clue?

 

[Tree Pig]

Im am just guessing and could be 100% wrong but is the rating for life support in combined attachment points? Meaning Your using two attachment to your bridge and combined they are 30KN or atleast greater then 22KN because they share the load, so your good. Just a wild guess and Im probably wrong.

 

[tree md]

Hmm... I don't know??? I guess that could be correct for all of the attachment points except the ventral attachment point which is a single attachment point. Aren't you an engineer???

 

[Tree Pig]

Hmm... I don't know??? I guess that could be correct for all of the attachment points except the ventral attachment point which is a single attachment point. Aren't you an engineer???

lol sometimes way back in the deep recesses of my mind I think I am an engineer but then my house of cards falls over and I am jolted back to reality.

 

[tree md]

Ah, I thought you said something about being an engineer full time. I guess that was someone else.

When I put on my engineer hat look out. That's when I am usually headed for trouble. It is usually when I have a beer in my hand and right after I say "ya'll watch this".

 

[Tree Pig]

"ya'll watch this".

when that comes out of my mouth it usually means I am gonna mess something up.

well you were right about something else full time but its not an engineer, too boring for me.

 

[TreeClimber57]

I am reading the manual on a new saddle I got and it's got weight ratings on all the attachment points. Everything that is life support is rated at 15 KN. First of all, I'm sure I wasn't sold a saddle with inadequate life support attachments but I was thinking that anything that was for life support was supposed to be rated at least 22 KN?

Also, it gives maximum load ratings for the gear loops but it's not in Kilonewtons, it's given in daN? What is a daN and what is the conversion to pounds? Anyone have a clue?

Is the 15KN on a D Ring, meaning you would use 2 of them for support?
What is saddle model, there might be some specificications that explain in a bit more detail. But as you said I am quite sure it is properly rated for life support.

If my notes are correct :
10,000 daN = 1 kN
10 daN = 1 N = 0.1 kg

 

[tree md]

Is the 15KN on a D Ring, meaning you would use 2 of them for support?
What is saddle model, there might be some specificications that explain in a bit more detail. But as you said I am quite sure it is properly rated for life support.

If my notes are correct :
10,000 daN = 1 kN
10 daN = 1 N = 0.1 kg

Yes, 15 KN on the side D's and seat suspension rings where both D'd and rings would be taking the weight but there is a single ventral attachment point that is a solitary D. If used in combination with one of the other D's then it would have two D's supporting the weight but if tied into just the ventral attachment point then no, it would be a stand alone tie in. The manual says that this is acceptable. It just conflicts with what I have been taught. That's why I'm asking.

Thanks for the info on the daN. That is exactly the info I was looking for.

 

[TreeClimber57]

Thanks for the info on the daN. That is exactly the info I was looking for.

Yer welcome

 

[tree md]

OK, I spoke too soon. That can't be right. according to that conversion all of my gear loops hold less than a pound. What is a daN anyway?

 

[Tree Pig]

Try This

looks like 1 DaN = 0.01 KN or 1019 lbs

 

[treemandan]

OK, I spoke too soon. That can't be right. according to that conversion all of my gear loops hold less than a pound. What is a daN anyway?

That is what I want to know.

Btw, what saddle?

 

[tree md]

OK, I spoke too soon. That can't be right. according to that conversion all of my gear loops hold less than a pound. What is a daN anyway?

Oops, my bad. You were right. I must have got something messed up trying to do my own conversion. I found a converter on the web and you were 100% correct. thanks again. Dekanewton... Jeez, I don't even remember that from math class...

 

[TreeClimber57]

OK, I spoke too soon. That can't be right. according to that conversion all of my gear loops hold less than a pound. What is a daN anyway?

What kinda gear you got anyway

Lets see if my fingers can figure this out.. too late for my brain.

10 daN = 1 N = 0.001 kN = 0.1 kg = 0.22 lbs

100 daN = 10 N = 0.01 kN = 1.0 kg = 2.2 lbs

10,000 daN = 1,000 N = 1 kN = 100 kg = 220 lbs

100,000 daN = 10,000 N = 10 kN = 1,000 kg = 2,200 lbs

 

[tree md]

Try This

looks like 1 DaN = 0.01 KN or 1019 lbs

How are you figuring that? 1 KN = 225#. .1 KN x 225 = 22.5 #... Scratches head... Your figure sounds more reasonable than what I'm coming up with.

Dan, I got the Petzl Mini Boss.

 

[TreeClimber57]

Oops, my bad. You were right. I must have got something messed up trying to do my own conversion. I found a converter on the web and you were 100% correct. thanks again. Dekanewton... Jeez, I don't even remember that from math class...

Sorry, by the time I had typed it you had already figured it out.. oh well, there for anybody else to look at.

 

[Tree Pig]

How are you figuring that? 1 KN = 225#. .1 KN x 225 = 22.5 #... Scratches head... Your figure sounds more reasonable than what I'm coming up with.

Dan, I got the Petzl Mini Boss.

I used the converter in the link above
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/units-converter/force/calculator/kilonewton-%5BkN%5D-to-dekanewton-%5BdaN%5D/

ooohhh thats pond?

 

[tree md]

Still can't figure out why my gear loops are rated at 5, 10, 15 and 20 daN. That can't be right. They have got to be able to hold more weight than that...

 

[TreeClimber57]

I used the converter in the link above 22KN 22000lbs
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/units-converter/force/calculator/kilonewton-%5BkN%5D-to-dekanewton-%5BdaN%5D/

??

When I use same calculator I get..

22 KN = 4945.7967482 pounds-force (my calculations of 2.2 lbs per kg was slightly off -- it is really closer to 2.205 lbs per kg)

You must have left right hand calculator on newtons .. which would bring to 22,000

 

[Tree Pig]

Still can't figure out why my gear loops are rated at 5, 10, 15 and 20 daN. That can't be right. They have got to be able to hold more weight than that...

yeah if this thing is right 20 dan is 0.2kn

I just got a headache