Questions just posed to Stihl regarding their 2N1 sharpening system

[cutleg]

I just submitted the following question to stihlusa.com, and I figured some of y'all may want to see it and maybe take a stab. I will post their official response when I get it.

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I have about seven Stihl saws, 441C, a 310 and an 021 among others.

My question is about my 310 and 021. My 310 has a 3/8 pitch clutch sprocket. My 021 has the OEM 16" bar with a Picco chain (.050).

Questions

1. What is the pitch of this Picco chain in actual numbers?

2. I recently bought a Stihl 2N1 sharpener, but I stupidly bought a .325" one because I didn't know what I was doing.

2a. Does that mean that the 2N1 files and guides I bought are no good on my 310 and 021 as described above?
2b. Do y'all sell interchangeable files and guides for the 2N1?
2c. What size files and guides do I need for my 310 described above?
2d. What size files and guides do I need for my 021 described above?

 

[HarleyT]

Here is the bar/chain catalog, and it lists the items that you are inquiring about, it shows a different part number for each pitch/size.

 

[cutleg]

Awesome, thanks. I've attached the relevant section. The way I view it, I have to order a whole new 2N1 kit for each pitch, and they don't sell replacement files for the 2N1.

OR, I just buy their "regular files" from p213. But, then, on p213, I don't see any Picco files listed.

Further, is there just one depth gauge file for all since it's just flat?

Finally, since I have a 3/8 picco and a regular 3/8, I guess that means I need two more sets of files (or whole kits).

Here is the bar/chain catalog, and it lists the items that you are inquiring about, it shows a different part number for each pitch/size.

 

[HarleyT]

The 3/8 picco would use the 5/32 file.
The big 3/8 would use either the 13/64 or 7/32, depending on the chain chisel height.

 

[HarleyT]

Depth gauge files are just little flat bastards!

 

[jchipps]

Best 2-n-1 ever made is 2 hands and 1 file of the correct size.
Works great and saves confusion

Still need a little bastard though.

 

[cutleg]

Here is Stihl's answer:

The pitch of the Picco chain on your 021 is a 3/8”P. Unfortunately, the 2-N-1 file guide you purchased will not work with either of the chains on your MS 310 or the 021.

The 2-N-1 files are designed for a specific pitch. Therefore, the round files in them are not interchangeable. You will need two separate 2-N-1 files for the chains you are inquiry about. Below are the part numbers for these specific 2-N-1 file guides.

2 in 1 Filing Guide for 3/8” 5605 750 4305 (MS 310) (13/64” round file)
2 in 1 Filing Guide for 3/8” STIHL PICCO™ 5605 750 4303 (021) (5/32” round file)​

The plastic handles on the 2-N-1 filing systems have holes specific to the file size it requires. The files in the 2-N-1 file guides are replaceable.​

That means that I bought a 2N1 that I cannot use, and I have to buy TWO more to sharpen my two saws. Ugh. Ignorance is expensive.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Unfortunately its not a one size fits all world out there.

 

[computeruser]

Shouldn’t be tough to sell off the .325” one and recoup most of your money.

Tuition in the school of life.

 

[Del_]

Keep the .325 one and buy the ones you need.

You may find you have a need for it one day. Or sell it later. Don't let a wrong purchase slow you down in your quest to be a self sufficient chain sharpener.

 

[Canyon Angler]

Best 2-n-1 ever made is 2 hands and 1 file of the correct size.

+1

I never tried a Stihl 2-in-1, but I had a Granberg, and I couldn't seem to get good results. Then a friend said, "Just try the appropriate size file and try it freehand, using the marks in the chain – or a Stihl file handle – to help you gauge the angle."

Tried it, and it worked, surprisingly well, and I've never felt the need to do it any other way since then.

 

[vision976]

Based on this youtube video:

I bought the Stihl 2-in-1 tool for my 1/4" picco chains on my small saws. It works wonderfully well and it takes down the depth gauges at the same time.

I'm pretty good with just a round file of the correct size, but having to go back and set the depth gauges using a flat file and a depth gauge tool makes the sharpening process take considerably longer, than if one just uses the Stihl 2-in-1 tool.

There are some knock-offs available on Amazon, but I haven not tried any of those.

 

[flatsfisher]

pretty sure the 2n1 is made by Pferd. I have the Pferd version in 13/64 for my 036 and love it.