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Jock

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In North America, is it compulsory to wear safety trousers and boots to climb?....it is here!!! Personally I dont use safety clothing to climb in but I've just been informed by my insurers if i or any of my staff have an accident they wont be interested in the claim! same with you? I find that safety trousers restrict movement when climbing, and the boots (Stihl) cause jamming problems in forks, so about 2 years ago we reverted to Arborwear trousers and Gore Tex boots, and I'm sure we work safer and have a lot more freedom of movement (usually when you most need it) Havent had any claims in 22 years so something must be right. Any views on this one?....Jock...
 
Here in Florida, it is just too hot to wear chaps or whatever you refer to as 'safety trousers'. I am 37 years old and have never seen a pair, except for pictures of woodcutters up north. If a person were to try and wear these pants here, they would not be able to work more than an hour or so. An overheated, exhausted person is much more likely to have an accident. I have never met a person who wears them or would require their use. Plain economics, it is not feasable to use them in the heat.

Most big companies here require steel toe boots. I've never found a pair that doesn't cut into my little toe, so I am not willing to wear them. When I was required to wear them, I had to buy 2 sizes too large, and then clomp around all the time. If I could find a pair that fit me, I might wear them.
 
A guy I used to work with was climbing one day and an OSHA came to the job and told him to put chaps on while in the tree. The guy told him they would get in his way while he climbed and that was the end of the discussion! OSHA man didn't say anything further.
 
Originally posted by Jock
In North America, is it compulsory to wear safety trousers and boots to climb?....it is here!!!

No, it is not compulsory to wear chainsaw resistant pants while climbing. It is the law to wear them at all times while operating a chainsaw on the ground. Any why not? It's your life, or leg anyways!

Chaps are slightly more insulating than other types of pants so I see no problem wearing them in all types of weather. I do think that a person without the use of his legs is less able to perform a satisfactory job. :D

Nickrosis
 
steeltoe shoes

Steeltoe shoes and steel core flip line are a NO NO around electric lines. Redwing makes composite toes and comfortable shoes.Steel shanks are now fibergless. I order mine special made to fit the wide feet I came with.
Jock,you nearly ended up in the Gump Dump for your earlier posts. It is nice to see you have something to say about tree work, not a rant. You are on the ignore list for many here for that opening blast. I see the Stupidity Factor is world wide, not limited to USA, it gets charged extra. Electric lines are underground in many parts of Europe but here it is only catching on in the last ten years. Much of the new housing gets underground lines. For now you don't work around electric lines with steel toes.
 
Toddppm and treeclimber165....thanks for the valid answers, and geofore, but nickrosis, my point is sometimes while climbing it quite often becomes crucial to move your legs into positions most normal people wouldnt..and when your legs are wrapped up in safety trousers or chaps, no matter how fit you are its not always possible so in turn makes you tired, (thats a well known fact among climbers), so my view and a lot of other peoples views are fatigue makes you think differently and if your mind is not in top gear while 10ft or 100ft off the ground, thats when the danger factor sets in, My personal thoughts on safety trousers and boots are if you want to wear them , wear them, if not dont wear them ,but like here no HSE or official should have the power to make someones work unsafe, (lifes too short) Finally i cant comment on steel toed boots as working on electric lines in the UK is very low paid £7.00 per hour and its live line work. Oh and sorry if i upset anyone weve been working 7 days a week for the last 3 months mainly because of demand and bad weather here so maybe i am or was a bit patriotic or just touchy...Sorry ...Jock
 
Hey fellas am I missing somthing. What is the Gump dump? I have been checking back faily consistantly but must a have missed something. I remember a user named Gump but did not read into any posts.
I have seen some chaps that were sewn with a elastic mesh backing instead of clips and straps. Thay were made by the Redding smokejumpers and they seemed pretty cool to use but I don't know in the tree. Take care.
 
Hey Jock
Ihave been climbing for about the last 7 years in chain saw pants add to that now steel toe cap boots, helmet with earmuffs(harness cliped in), saftey glasses(plastic's really), high visibility orange shirt( high UV resistant rating) pluss harness( master 2)with flipline, handsaw in scabbarb( with spyder co rescue knife) on calf and petzl pantim on boot , Maline rapid delta as sliding D ,two williams biners,petzl right hand ascender,spectra speed for prussick( kinda french) ,BGHam friction saver (mostly I haul it up) with steel biner replacing big ring.
I think that is basicly it....
Always get the groundies to send up chainsaws and pole saws...
I deadwooded/ weigt reduced/HV line cleared three gums (E viminarlis) 40',60 ',80' and one large Pine(P radiata) 80' started at 8am finished at 4pm (not all chipping done) today.
I saw a limb pin a chainsaw on to a climber thigh ...tore open his chainsaw pants....replace pants $120 Aus ..or 6 months off work!!!!
It does get hot in Tassie in the summer a bit hotter than where you are I think.
In the hotter parts of Aus I dont think many guys wear them.
When we first started using them I had one guy collaspe from heat exhaustion...its a matter of adapting..
I wear baggy ones and the padding can be an advantage in some trees. Call me a saftey freak ....
 
Originally posted by Rob Murphy
Call me a saftey freak ....

You're not a safety freak..

I wear all the required gear as well, and suffer in the heat with the trousers I have .. Design C Husqvarnas. My next pair will be SIPs, as I've used those before and they're a lot cooler/lighter. If the job's mainly pruning, I'll climb with normal trousers, as most of these jobs can be done almost as quickly, and to a higher standard, with a handsaw.
 
Re: steeltoe shoes

Originally posted by geofore
Steeltoe shoes and steel core flip line are a NO NO around electric lines.

Can not speak for the flip line, but it is an old wives tale you recite re steel toes around electricity. CSA approved boots here generally come with an omega symbol as well, which means they are electric shock resistant ie the sole provides a degree of insultion, which decreases when dirty worn or wet. It is not the steel toe that is in contact with the ground in any event. Hydro workers here have to wear both steel toes and plates, thus there is no increased risk of shock incurred by wearing them; if you ground out a hydro line you are going to have a shocking experience, steel toes, plates and shock resistant boots not withstanding hence the reason the lineman uses rubber sleeves, blankets and gloves wheh working on live wires.

Tree climber165, I agree steel toes can be a real pain-literally. I have a pair of CAT boots I can not wear because the toes do not fit-keep looking as there are a lot of makers out there and differenty styles and sizes of toes. Composite toes are are not installed because of the decreased risk of shock-generally they are lighter and for those of us in the great white north A LOT warmer in the winter than steel. The new Terra packs I have have a composite Therma Toe, but frankly the steel toes in my old Sorels never caused me a problem at all even at -40F.

As for chaps, yes they would be a pain in a tree, which is why some companies I have worked with use chain saw pants. I have a lightweight nylon pair that were tolerable on the days when we had a humidex of 115F this summer here.

I am sure I will get some groans on this one-given medicine is socialized here I do not think the government safety agencies at all levels mind telling people what to wear on job sites-ie "We pay the medical bills thus you WILL do it our way." I have heard of compensation being denied, and huge fines levied against construction firms in particular because they did not have a safety program of did not enforce the wearing of safety equipment, in particular fall arrest gear. Lose an eye, or crush a foot and it is proven you were provided with glasses and had boots but chose not to wear them, I can guarentee it will be a long hard fight with the WCB for compensation.

I worked as a safety officer in the military for 15 years as a secondary duty and it is a hard well to convince some people to wear the equipment that is lawfully required. It is also very difficult to sell the troops on the requirement to wear their safety boots for example when the Major refuses to wear his when on the training flow (we taught Aerial Delivery Techniques-delivery of supplies by parachute, chopper and LAPES). A classic case of do as I say and not as I do.

Some safety regulations are just plain daft. Why is a hard hat required on a road crew for example on a hot day when there is no overhead hazard. Especially stupid when it is over 100F and there is a very real risk of heat stroke or exhaustion-a wide brimmed straw hat would fit the bill.

So to answer your question yes leg and foot protection is required here in Ontario, and is worn by most in this and other heavy industries. You chose not to wear it at your own bodily and financial risk. I prefer to wear it, though I agree at times it is somewhat uncomfortable in the process.
 
Re: Re: Safety Clothing

Lemme make some comments:

Originally posted by Nickrosis
No, it is not compulsory to wear chainsaw resistant pants while climbing. It is the law to wear them at all times while operating a chainsaw on the ground. Any why not wear them on the ground?b] It's your life, or leg anyways!

Chaps are slightly more insulating than other types of pants so I see no problem wearing them in all types of weather. I do think that a person without the use of his legs is less able to perform a satisfactory job. :D

Nickrosis [/B]

I don't think the use of chaps in trees should be mandatory - sorry if I implied that before. If someone finds a comfortable pair or would like to wear them in the winter, that's awesome. Making it mandatory, though, is not necessary as far as I'm concerned. In the future, perhaps, there may be pants available that are thin, cool, and comfortable.

On the ground.....they should (and are) mandatory when operating a chainsaw. I apologize for being so unclear.

Final note: Steel toed boots are not mandatory when climbing, and they shouldn't be. I think it would be a great idea to wear chainsaw resistant (not necessarily steel-toed) boots when using a chainsaw in the tree or on the ground. Maybe it's even the law for chainsaw use on the ground....I don't recall. Anyone else know?

Nickrosis
 
Nick,
In my experience, steel toe requirements are usually a result of the employer's insurance stipulations as opposed to any law. All of the larger companies I have worked for with major insurance coverage required steel toe boots (Davey Tree, City of Winter Park, Arbor Care). Smaller companies with less extensive insurance coverage usually don't make a big deal out of it, though they may recommend it
 
Originally posted by treeclimber165
Nick,
Smaller companies with less extensive insurance coverage usually don't make a big deal out of it, though they may recommend it

Read none except that provided by the workmans compensation board here. Insurers at any level be they private or government run are just itching for the opportunity not to pay out benefits. As I mentioned earlier, have a disabilitating injury, you had better hope you had on your safety equipment. They already have started to do this to people that did not have their seat belts on in major accidents up here-no compensation paid out at all in one recent case, so I can see this becomiong more and more the norm for industrial type accident benefit claims. Or if you do get some $$$$$ it will be less than what you would have got otherwise.
 
ANSI is not a compusory standard, but is what OSHA will judge a company by if death or seriouse injury occures.

ANSI Z133 says that eye and head protection SHALL be worn whenever tree work is in progress. Ear protection SHOULD be worn when chainsaws are being operated (could have changed in last revivsion). Chainsaw resistant leg protection SHALL be worn whenever saws are operated on the ground.

These are industry consensus standards developed by officers from tree companies.
 
Steel toes

Was about 15 years back we were told to change to composite and leave the steel toes. Don't know if that wasn't just an ins. thing. I prefer heavy baggy pants in a tree. You need room to move. Chaps are good on the the ground work.
 
Re: Re: steeltoe shoes

Originally posted by Jumper

I am sure I will get some groans on this one-given medicine is socialized here I do not think the government safety agencies at all levels mind telling people what to wear on job sites-ie "We pay the medical bills thus you WILL do it our way." I have heard of compensation being denied, and huge fines levied against construction firms in particular because they did not have a safety program of did not enforce the wearing of safety equipment, in particular fall arrest gear.

That's on the cards for this country. Although we get medical care which is mostly free at the point of delivery (we pay through national insurance/tax), the NHS has started to sue negligent drivers for treatment costs after road accidents. It's looking like they'll be doing the same thing to employers in the event of workplace accidents, which is something we will all pay for in the form of increased emp liability insurance.
 
I'm a Sanborn, suposedly a Scots/Normand line FWIW. The my line of the family got run out of england in the early 1600's. Now I'm 100% American mut. Scot's, Irish, Welsh, Swede, German, French....
 
Ok lets end this american - scottish thing, I'm actually Norwegian decent by courtesy of my great - great grandfather , so the sheep are safe, but the american women arent ...cause i'm coming there on holiday end October.....:D, I'm blonde , good looking and dont live on Mc Donalds so all you fat climber guys lock up your wives.....and daughters......beware!!!!......Jock.......oh ???? not the Gump Dump again!!!!!!!!!!!please guys be like your President ....take this as light hearted humour, I spend all my holidays in Canada and the U.S. and love every minute, and the people so go easy on me i just have a sense of humour thats all......Jock
 
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